Free Journalist Nikol Pashinyan

27 November 2010

We, Armenians living in the Diaspora and our non-Armenian friends, are deeply concerned in the imprisonment of Nikol Pashinyan, editor-in-chief of Haykakan Zhamanak ("Armenian Time") daily in Armenia, and his treatment in jail. While Mr. Pashinyan’s voluntary surrender to law enforcement agencies should have been duly noted by the Armenian authorities, the veteran journalist has experienced coercion behind bars. We attest that these reprehensible acts of the authorities–aimed at silencing Mr. Pashinyan and punishing him for his political views–will have the opposite outcome, making the editor’s voice heard more forcefully in Armenia and in the Diaspora. Deeply concerned with the treatment of the journalist, we are following the "judicial process" with vigilance, hoping that he will be released soon. Meanwhile, we demand that the Armenian authorities put an end to the unlawful acts against him and ensure his security.
 

27 November 2010

We, Armenians living in the Diaspora and our non-Armenian friends, are deeply concerned in the imprisonment of Nikol Pashinyan, editor-in-chief of Haykakan Zhamanak ("Armenian Time") daily in Armenia, and his treatment in jail. While Mr. Pashinyan’s voluntary surrender to law enforcement agencies should have been duly noted by the Armenian authorities, the veteran journalist has experienced coercion behind bars. We attest that these reprehensible acts of the authorities–aimed at silencing Mr. Pashinyan and punishing him for his political views–will have the opposite outcome, making the editor’s voice heard more forcefully in Armenia and in the Diaspora. Deeply concerned with the treatment of the journalist, we are following the "judicial process" with vigilance, hoping that he will be released soon. Meanwhile, we demand that the Armenian authorities put an end to the unlawful acts against him and ensure his security.
 

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Nous, Arméniens vivant en diaspora et nos amis non arméniens, sommes particulièrement préoccupés par l’incarcération de Nikol Pachinyan, rédacteur en chef du quotidien Haykakan Jamanak ("Le Temps arménien") en Arménie, et par le traitement qu’il subit en prison. Alors que les autorités arméniennes auraient dû prendre en compte le fait que M. Pachinyan s’était volontairement rendu aux forces de police, c’est la coercition que le journaliste connaît pendant son séjour derrière les barreaux. Nous certifions que ces actes répréhensibles commis par les autorités – et destinés à réduire M. Pachinyan au silence et à le punir pour ses opinions politiques – auront l’effet inverse, et feront entendre plus fort la voix du rédacteur en chef, en Arménie et en diaspora. Très préoccupés par la manière dont le journaliste est traité, nous suivons avec vigilance le «processus judiciaire », en espérant qu’il sera rapidement remis en liberté. Entre temps, nous demandons que les autorités arméniennes mettent fin aux actions illégales commises contre lui et qu’elles garantissent sa sécurité.
Traduit par DF

Alex Barboza Lawyer  Brazil Alice von Bieberstein PhD UK
Anne Anahid Shirinian-Orlando Dr. USA Anush Mnoyan PhD South Korea
Armen Gakavian PhD Australia Armine Ishkanian Dr.UK
Arpiar Petrossian Architect Iran Barbara Coloroso Author/Educator USA
Berge Minassian MD FRCP(C) Canada Boghos-Levon Zekiyan Italy
Brydon Gombay Canada Denis Donikian Writer France
Felicia Waldman Ass. Professor Romania Gary Alan Hanson MD Canada
Gerard Paraghamian Painter Canada Glenn Cameron MD FRCP(C) Canada
Haig Khatchadourian Emeritus Prof. USA Joy Kogawa Canada
Karl Koth Historian Canada Keith Garebian Writer Canada
Kevin McGill MSW/RSW Nunavut Canada Liliana Merdikian Lawyer Argentina
Miguel Sambataro Lawyer Argentina Naira Yeritsyan MD PhD Germany
Ragip Zarakolu Turkey Ruth Cooper BSW/RSW Canada
Sabri Atman MD Sweden Sait Çetinoğlu Author Turkey
Մենք սփիւռքաբնակ հայերս եւ մեր ոչ հայազգի ընկերները, խորապէս անհանգստացած ենք Հայկական Ժամանակ օրաթերթի գլխաւոր խմբագիր Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի հետ կալանավայրի մէջ կատարուող դէպքերով: Կը թուէր թէ արդարադատութեան մարմիններուն անոր կամովին ներկայանալը համապատասխան վերաբերմունքի պիտի արժանանար ՀՀ իշխանութիւններու կողմէ: Սակայն, ոչ միայն այդ տեղի չունեցաւ, այլեւ, ազատազրկման վայրին մէջ, անոր նկատմամբ հետեւողական ճնշում կը կիրառուի, ալեկոծելով հայ հասարակութիւնը ամենուրէք: Մենք կը հաստատե’նք թէ իշխանութիւններու՝ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի ազատ խօսքը լռեցնելու եւ քաղաքական տեսակէտներու համար պատիժ կիրառելու այս դատապարտելի գործողութիւնները ճիշդ հակառակ արդիւնքը կ’ունենան, աւելի եւս լսելի դարձնելով Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի ձայնը թէ’ հայրենիքի եւ թէ’ Սփիւռքի մէջ: Անոր ճակատագրով խորապէս մտահոգ ըլլալով, մենք ուշադրութեամբ կը հետեւինք այս հարցին շուրջ տեղի ունեցող զարգացումներուն եւ յոյս ունինք զայն շուտով տեսնել ազատ արձակուած: Մինչ այդ, կը պահանջենք վերջ տալ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի նկատմամբ գործադրուող բոլոր տեսակի անօրինական գործողութիւններուն եւ ապահովել անոր անվտանգութիւնը:
 
Nosotros los residentes armenios de la Diáspora y nuestros amigos filoarmenios, estamos profundamente preocupados por los sucesos vinculados al confinamiento del editor principal del diario "Haykakan Jamanak" (Haygagan Jamanag) (Tiempo Armenio), Nikol Pashinyan (Nigol Pashinian). Parecìera que de los cuerpos del sistema judicial, al presentarse de propia voluntad, iba a recibir un tratamiento acorde del gobierno de la República de Armenia. No obstante, no sólo que eso no sucedió, sino que, en el campo de la liberación se emplean en su persona sucesivas presiones involucrando a toda la sociedad armenia. Nosotros afirmamos que acallar la voz libre de Nikol Pashinyan por parte de los gobiernos y por los puntos de vista políticos, emplear castigos por acciones que estiman ser culpables, encuentran exactamente un resultado contrario, es más, otra vez volviendo a oir la voz de Nikol Pashinyan en la Patria y en la Diáspora. Preocupados profundamente por su destino, nosotros seguimos con atención lo que rodea, lo que tiene lugar respecto a la evolución de está cuestión y tenemos la esperanza de que de ella resulte muy pronto, en el futuro, su liberación. Hasta ese momento reclamamos dar término a todo tipo de acciones ilegales y proteger su total integridad.
Tradujo: Ardzat Voskanyan
Nós, armênios vivendo na Diáspora ou amigos não-armênios, estamos profundamente preocupados com a prisão de Nikol Pashinyan, editor-chefe do Hayakakan Zhamanak (“O Tempo Armênio”), jornal diário da Armênia, e com o tratamento que ele está recebendo na prisão. Ao tempo em que a rendição voluntária do Sr. Pashinyan aos agentes da lei deva ser pontualmente anotada, pelas autoridades armênias, o veterano jornalista tem passado por coerções enquanto atrás das grades. Nós atestamos que esses atos repreensíveis das autoridades – voltados a silenciar o Sr. Pasinyan e puni-lo por suas visões políticas – terão o resultado oposto, fazendo a voz do editor-chefe ouvida com mais força na Armênia e na Diáspora. Profundamente preocupados com o tratamento que o jornalista vem recebendo, nós estamos acompanhando o processo judicial, vigilantes, na esperança de que ele seja libertado logo. Por hora, nós exigimos que as autoridades armênias ponham fim aos atos ilegais contra ele e assegurem a sua segurança.
Translated by Alex Barboza
 
Мы, армяне живущие в диаспоре, и наши друзья-не армяне, глубоко обеспокоены событиями происходящими вокруг Никола Пашиняна, главного редактора ежедневника Айкакан Жаманак ("Армянское время"). Казалось, что добровольная сдача Никола Пашиняна правоохранительным органам вызовит соответствующее отношение к нему со стороны властей Армении. К сожелению, не только этого не произашло, но и в тюрьме он подвергается последовательному давлению. Мы свидетельствуем, что эти предосудительные действия властей – направленные на подавление г-нa Пашинянa и наказания его за его политические взгляды имеют противоположный результат, делая голос редактора более слышимым и в Армении и в диаспоре. Будучи глубоко обеспокоены судьбой журналистa, мы внимательно следим за развитием ситуации, надеясь, что он будет освобожден в ближайшее время. Между тем, мы требуем, чтобы власти Армении положили конец незаконными актами, направленными против него, и обеспечили его безопасность.
Wir, die Armenier der Diaspora und unsere nicht armenische Freunde, sind sehr beunruhigt über die Haft von Nikol Pashinyan, Chefredakteur von "Haykakan Zhamanak" [Die Armenische Zeit). Die freiwillige Selbsstellung von Pashinyan sollte eigentlich von den armenischen Behoerden in kenntnis genommen werden.Der Veteran Journalist wurde hinter Gitter unter Zwang gestellt.. Der verwerfliche Akt der Behoerden Herr Pashinyan zum Schweigen zu bringen und für seine politischen Ansichten zu bestrafen ,koennte das Gegenteil bewirken und dazu führen dass seine Stimme wirkungsvoller in der Diaspora und Armenien gehoert wird. Wir sind tief besorgt über die Behandlung des Journalisten und werden den gerichlichen Prozess mit Wachsamkeit verfolgen und hoffen dass er bald freigelassen wird. In der Zwischenzeit wir verlanfgen dass die Behoerden die ungesetzliche Behandlung von Pashinyan ein Ende setzen und seine Sicherheit garantieren.
Translated by SS

101 comments
  1. Armenians should never
    Armenians should never squelch freedom of speech, especially from one of our own.

  2. Freedom

    Dear Armenians,
    There isn’t much to say. Our History throughout maintains absolute indications of desire and fight for freedom….
    Was this only against  enemies but not own nationals??
    Well, if we’ll not be in a position to show a civilized and free human behavior against own compatriots and brothers for the simplest and the most humble human right, the free expression, I don’t think then (regret to say) we deserve to be free…
    I pitty our freedom martyrs.
    Let’s wake up!!
    Hovik
  3. Free Nicol Pashinyan
    Le gouvernement arménien doit respecter la liberté d’expression de ses citoyens et protéger leur l’intégrité physique. C’est par cela qu’un pays peut se prétendre une démocratie. Il ne devrait exister aucun prisonnier politique.

    Որ հայերեն կառավարությունը պետք է հարգել խոսքի ազատության իր քաղաքացիներին եւ պաշտպանելու իրենց ֆիզիկական ամբողջականության. Այն էր, այս մի երկիր կարող է հավակնել լինել ժողովրդավարություն. Պետք է լինի ոչ մի քաղաքական բանտարկյալներ.

    The Armenian government should respect freedom of expression to its citizens and protect their physical integrity. It was at this from a country can claim to be a democracy. There should be no political prisoners.

  4. Թափանցիկութիւն եւ
    Թափանցիկութիւն եւ ժողովրդավարութիւն: Այս երկուքն են որ կ’ապահովեն հայկական միութիւններուն,կազմակերպութիւններուն եւ հայրենի պետականութեան վերելքը:
    Գրիգոր Գրաճեան ( B.Sc. Pharmacy )

  5. Freedom of speach
    Either we stop doing to our compatriots what our enemies do to us, or stop criticizing our enemies. Freedom of speach must be considered a fundamental right in Armenia, as it is in the civilized world.

  6. Free Speech

    One’s thoughts as expressed in words or deed ought to be allowed to be heard by a world audience. Peace, harmony and understanding grow from expressed thoughts and a shared respect for such expressions. The Armenians deserve no less. "Let freedom reign" throught free speech. Free the Armenian journalist so that the world can listen to his message.Let the "world audience" be the judge of his "rightness" or "wrongness."
  7. Free Nicol Pashinyan
    I undersign under this petition to free Mr. Pashinyan who has been unlawfully imprisoned for expressing his basic right for free speech.

    Vigen Galstyan
    Curator, film maker, Sydney, Australia

  8. No free media, no democracy
    Without a free media, Armenia will never be able to enjoy proper democracy and progress. Unfortunately, certain people and organisations still exert their influece on political and community issues in Armenia. The people get the leadership they vote for…

  9. Freedom to All
    The worst kind of pogrom is silence.

    Henrik H. Khachtryan Sev
    Free Lance artist.
    Los Angeles, CA, USA.

  10. Nikol Pashinyan

    DESDE LA RCA ARGENTINA AUSPICIAMOS LA PETICION AL PRESIDENTE DE LA RCA DE ARMENIA http://www.president.am LA INMEDIATA LIBERACION DEL PERIODISTA Y DE LOS PRESOS POLITICOS.- Miguel Angel Nalpatian(1942).- Mar del Plata.- Buenos Aires.- Rca Argentina.-
  11. Freedom to Nikol Pashinyan
    It’s a shame Armenia is so backwards to have political prisoners and it is a criminal act to put him along with murderes!

  12. Free Nikol Pashinyan

    I am sorry for all of you who think that an intent to  topple  a government by non-democratic means is a freedom of speech.

    Secondly, Nikol Pashinyan has freedom of speech even from his cell, Please read his daily editorials in his newspaper LRAGIR.AM

    Thank you

    1.  Nikol Pashinyan dared to express

      Nikol Pashinyan was imprisoned for his political views, and the fact that he dared express them. Not only has there been violence against him while in prison, but these events are escalating in frequency and intensity in an effort to silence him.  

      The immediate, pre-investigation response of the Ministry of Justice was to claim he was dreaming, and nothing had happened. Not until Pashinyan provided his bloodied and armyboot-marked blanket did the ministry state to start an investigation.

      That is not freedom of Speech.

      By the way, he does NOT write for Lragir. He writes for Haykakan Zhamanak (armtimes.com, you may use hzh.am into the URL – this too works).

      Tzitzernak

    2.  Dear Garabed Oghoulian

      Dear Garabed Oghoulian,

      If you think that raising his own voice and opinion is an "intent to  topple  a government by non-democratic means" then I really feel sorry for you.

      Basically that is exactly how our goverment thinks and that is the very same reason the goverment uses all means including the help of criminals in prison to try to silence Nikol Pahsinyan and prevent him from writing editorials from jail. That is exactly why they put him in an isolation punishment cell – to shut him up! That is exactly why today he was moved to another jail in the north of the country far from Yerervan to closed regimen prison – again to prevent him from writing editorials.

      For similar reasons  the only independent TV station A1 was shut leaving only few newspapers for people to raise their voices. 

      I really feel sorry for you and all who would support the imprisonment of any journalist ever.

      Yervand Karapetyan MD, USA

  13. Free Nikol Pashinyan.

    I personally am against taking away any human’s right of  free expression of speech. Nigogos Parunyan
  14.  If we are supposed to have
    If we are supposed to have credibility and respect in the world, we better be civilized.

    Please send this to Mr.Serzh Sarkisian, the president.

                                                    Thanks,

                                                Norayr Baboumian, MD

  15. Free Journalist Pashinyan
    Freedom in Armenia should be for all and not just for a few. Very disappointed.

  16.  
     
    Ազատություն  խմբագիր

     
     
    Ազատություն  խմբագիր Նիկոլ Փաշայանին
     
    Միանալով Հայաստանի առաջադեմ  թերթեի խմբագիրների ու մտավորականության պահանջներին, ցանկանում եմ Նիկոլ Փաշայանին օր առաջ տեսնել ազատության մեջ:
     
    Ասելու շատ բան չկա… Լրագրողին բանտարկել ու մեկուսացնել հասարակությունից, ինքնին ամեն ինչ ասում է՝ վախենալ նրա խոսքի ու գրչի զորությունից:
     
     Մեր հիշողության մեջ դեռ թարմ է. Երբ Չիլիի Ֆաշիստները տապալեցին երկրի օրինավոր իշխանությանը, առաջին  «անհետաձգելի» քայլը եղավ Սանթյագո դե Չիլիի հրապարակում հրկիզել Լատինական Ամերիկայի մեծ բանաստեղծ Պաբլո Ներուդայի գրքերը: Մայրաքաղաքի ֆուտբոլի ստադիոնում ժողովրդի կողմից սիրված տրուբադուր Վիկտոր Խարայի մատները ջարդեցին, և ապա գնդացրի կրակահերթով խլացրին նրա արդարություն պահանջող երգի ձայնը…
     
    Սփյուռքի մտավորականները անտարբեր չեն աշխարհում կատարվող անարդարությունների նկատմամբ և աչալուրջ հետևում են, թե  ինչ է կատարվում  իրենց հայրենիքում՝ Հայաստանում:
     
     
    Հրապարակում
    վառում են գրքեր
    բանաստեղծության:
     
    Հեռու հրապարակից,
    կշտացած զենքի տակ
    թաղում են բանաստեղծին:
     
    Երկունք ապրած բառեր
    կրակ կուլ տալով
    ինքնասպսնվում են:
     
    Բանտի պատերը
    փոր են տալիս քո քաղաքում:
    Գնդակահարում են անգամ
    հաշմանդամներին,
    և յուրայիններիդ կրծքի արյունից
    ժանգոտում են փշալարերը:
     
    Գրքերդ վառողների
    որդիները շուտով
    անգիր պիտի անեն
    և արտասանեն այրող բառերդ
    իրենց դժբախտ հայրերի
    շիրիմների վրա:
     
    Սփյուռքահայ բանաստեղծ՝
    Կարիկ Պասմաճեան
     
    «ԲԱԼԵՆԻ» ամսագրի նախկին հրատարակիչ՝
    Արամայիս Միրզախանյան
     
    Շվեդիա, Սթոքհոլմ
    18 Նոյեմբեր, 2010

  17. Nikol Pashinyan
    I respectfully call on the Armenian government to release Nikol Pashinyan and conduct a fair and transparent trial.

  18. Free Nikol Pashinyan
    I sign this petition to free Mr. Pashinyan who has been unlawfully imprisoned for expressing his basic right of free speech.
    -dvs-

  19. Ազատություն խմբագիր նիկոլ Փաշինյանին
    Ազատություն խմբագիր նիկոլ Փաշինյանին,

    որքա՜ն պետք է վախենալ ազատ և ճշմարիտ խոսքից, որ փորձ է արվում այն լռեցնել:

    Ձայնս միացնելով բոլորին, պահանջում եմ՝

    անհապաղ ազատ արձակել խմբագիր Փաշ
    ինյանին:

    Սամվել Հովասափյան

    Բեռլին
    29.11.2010

  20. Without a Free Press, There is No Freedom
    The first thing totalitarian governments do is to control the press.  Freedom of speech, thought and dissent must be destroyed.  That is what is happening in Armenia.

    Is this what we are all about?  We proclaimed "Freedom".  But this is not freedom. 

    Unfortunately the Armenian citizens, for the most part are apathetic.  Look at all those that instead of taking a position and trying to make a change have just fled the country.  Instead of helping, people like that are permitting those who govern to do whatever they want. 

    All you hear from the working people is about their desire to leave the country.  Not to take a position and try to create change, just leave.   

    Again I ask, Is this what we are all about?

    Spend some time in Armenia and you will see for yourselves.

    From the U.S.

  21. Free speech for everybody

    I don’t know what Mr.Nikol Pashinyan said or wrote, but I’m defending his right to do it. Free speech for everybody!

  22. Hajelioren Zarmatsadz Em…

    I am glad today seeing endorsements of compatriots who were totally indifferent with respect to the fate of our Most Sacred Free and Independent Statehood, even after the horrible Massacres of "October 27" 1999 and March 1, 2008. It means that something has really changed in the Armenian society.

    Freedom to free journalist, "Haykakan Zhamanak" daily chief editor Nikol Pashinian, Artsakh war heroes Sassoun Mikayelian, Sako Hatsbanian and the other political prisoners trapped as hostages by the illegitimate regime!

  23. Nikol Pashinian common criminal

    I am very disappointed in Keghart.com and Dikran Abrahamian for supporting common criminal Nikol Pashinyan.

    Why was Pashinyan jailed?

    "The Court substantiated that N. Pashinyan personally participated in the organization of the mass disorders on 1-2 March, 2008 in Yerevan, provoked the crowd to civil disobedience and violence. He personally gave instructions for the organization of the mass disorders. Moreover, he had been in the centre of events during the mass disorders, personally controlled them, led and instructed the participants and provoked the crowd to civil disobedience."

    After seeing all the March 1 videos, I am convinced that Nikol Pashinyan had a very big part in organizing the violence on the streets of Yerevan. And I’m not even an investigator. The things he says to the protesters are appaling to say the least and nothing short of hooliganism. Of course, it is obvious that violence would not have occured without the evil planning by the"head of the snake" Levon Ter Petrossyan. Ten people died because of the violence perpetrated by the likes of Pashinyan, Alik Arzumanyan, and Sassoon Mikayelian. How do I make up my mind about this? After looking at all the media/video coverage by A1plus (the mouthpiece of LTP). Yes, you heard me right. And not H1.

    Haykakan Zhamanak (which is edited by Nikol) is an Azerbaijani newspaper  published in Armenia, in Armenian. in the last 6-7 years every single issue of that newspaper is to make Armenia look bad as much as possible. Full of lies, lies and more lies.

    Am I biased? Try this story…

    On the list of the Levonakan so-called "political prisoners" there appears another name: Murat Bojolian. This individual was CHARGED and CONVICTED in 2002  for spying for Turkish Intelligence MIT. As always Levonakans claimed that Armenian courts are corrupt etc etc etc. And proudly, confidently took their case to the  European Court Of Human Rights. Well, guess what happened?

    "The convict M. Bojolyan applied to the European Court but his application was rejected. The European Court of Human Rights rejected M. Bojolyan’s claim against the Republic of Armenia and agreed with the decision of the Armenian Court stating that M. Bojolyan risked the national security of Armenia by passing information to the foreign special services and based on it he must be punished. The European Court concluded that M. Bojolyan’s punishment had “social necessity” and the Armenian courts had satisfactory bases to sentence him to imprisonment.

    Pursuant to the Article 8, point 7 of the Decision of the National Assembly of the Republic of Armenia on Declaring Amnesty, amnesty is not applied towards the persons who committed high treason and espionage."

    This is not enough. The government of Armenia has given these individuals one more chance. To prepare a written statement that he regrets what he did.  And in turn, they would release him from jail. Pashinyan has steadfastly refused. Because he is convinced that he is the Messiah.

    The above individuals who have signed this petition are either VERY misinformed or simply naive. I ask Dikran Abrahamian, to save face and REMOVE this petition from his site. Or else myself and many fans of Keghart.com will be very disappoined and have high doubts of the true pro-Armenianness of this site.

    If you want more information I will be happy to provide. But please understand one thing. "Levonakanutyun" today is a CANCER for Armenia. Anything resembling levonakanutyun would be harmless in a country like Canada, Switzerland, Sweden or Norway. But for Armenia it is a deadly disease. One day I will elaborate. Meanwhile remove this petition or at least inform the signatories of the above facts. Pashinyan should stay in jail as a lesson to all who plot against the homeland.

    1. A threat?

      "Or else myself and many fans of Keghart.com will be very disappointed…"
      Njdeh, although you have some points to ponder, your sentence sounds like a threat!! 

      Also who are you to represent us all – fans of keghart.com?

      Your points are only the ‘other side’ of a controversy. Every political system has fans and opponents.  But there are many facts that the current regime is not doing things right. You must be blindsided by your anti-Ter Petrossyan views not to see reality.  I personally don’t like Ter Petrossyan either, but am able to use common sense to see what’s happening in Armenia now.  Wake Up!

      There are numerous other Armenian websites that are supporting Pashinyan, are you going to threaten them too? Go ahead and good luck in your cancerous ‘Armenianism’.

      1. Nerces, No threat there

        Nerces,

        No threat there. A simple fact. I myself and friends of mine love Keghart.com. And we think the same about common criminal Pashinyan. That’s all. Mi medstsner harts-e.

        Did you hear me writing love poems about Serge Sarkisian or Kocharian? I don’t agree with a lot of things they’ve done/doing.

        What’s happening in Armenia is unhealthy but to give the control to Levon/Nikol/Alik to solve Armenia’s problems is deadly. Remember the "White Genocide" of 1992-1998. You want healthy opposition? Thank God we have a choice in the form of "Heritage".

        No threats, just facts. And a plea: Stop this petition because it goes AGAINST Armenia. Pashinyan should not be released!

        1. Njdeh You are acting like a
          Njdeh,

          You are acting like a small Stalin. Why Nikol shouldn’t be released? Who are you to make such a judgment ?

          The courts in Armenia, however they tried, couldn’t prove any crime he committed. They just jailed him. There is no single fact that he has done or caused a single criminal activity. If you have proofs please bring the facts. Otherwise. whatever you say has no value,  it comes out of blind hatered.

          Mr. P.

    2. Njdeh versus Pashinyan

      Mr. Apigian says, "…Anything resembling levonakanoutyun would be harmless in a country like Canada, Switzerland, Sweden or Norway. But for Armenia it is a deadly disease. One day I will elaborate." Why should we give credence to his assertion when he does not back it with evidence and blithly promises that one day, in the indefinite future, he would elaborate. Why not elaborate now? Mr. Apigian puts the cart before the horse.

      For decades after their independence, African nations remained mired in repression. When critics of these regimes pointed out the depradations of the now-born tin-pot dictators, some pundits said the newly-independent countries needed time to grow, to progress, to adopt democratic ways. Some half-a-century later, practically all of these "new-born" African countries are still choking in dictatorship. Mr. Apigian reminds me of those pundits who tried to curtail criticism of the dictatorial African states.

      1. Tutunjian, Levonakanutyun
        Tutunjian,

        Levonakanutyun has nothing to do with criticism of regime. NOTHING. You obviously have little understanding of politics in Armenia if you cry crocodile’s tears about poor little Levonakans on being repressed.

        Levonakanutyun is fascism. Pure and simple. It is like a Nazi fighting for racial equality. It’s all about Levon and no one else. The same monster who destroyed Armenia in 1991-1997, and the Karabagh War was won DESPITE him and his HHSH gang Siradeghyan , Bleyan and others.

        You want regime criticism? Take Raffi Hovhannisyan , Zaruhi Postanjyan and "Heritage" Party. Take Edik Baghdasaryan and Hetq.am. Those are the heroes. Levon and his present gang have no moral right for ANY criticism after what they did 1992-1997 and 2008. Nikol Pashinyan is not jailed for his views. If he was he would be jailed from 2002 and on. This is a blatant lie. Nikol Pashinyan organized the burning of Yerevan in 2008 alongside Alik Arzumanyan, Sasoon Mikayelian and their Godfather Levon. And that’s exactly why he’s RIGHTFULLY in jail.

        Before you teach us about African history, please learn about recent Armenian history well and from unbiased sources.

        By the way, I see no one is commenting about the Bojolian case?Will you be signing a petition, when the European Human Rights Court also refuses Pashinyan’s case on grounds of hooliganism and criminal activity. Stop this petition, please.

        1. Njdeh, Please see Announcement of Hetq.am, one of your heroses

           
           

          Համատեղ դատապարտող հայտարարություն

          Մենք` ներքոստորագրյալ լրատվամիջոցների եւ քաղաքացիական հասարակության ներկայացուցիչներս, դատապարտում ենք քաղբանտարկյալ, «Հայկական ժամանակ» օրաթերթի գլխավոր խմբագիր Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի վրա վերջերս կատարված հարձակումները:

          35-ամյա Նիկոլ Փաշինյանը լրագրող է ու ընդդիմադիր Հայ ազգային կոնգրեսի
          ակտիվիստ, ով 2008 թ. մարտից ի վեր հալածանքների է ենթարկվում իր քաղաքական հայացքների համար: Փաշինյանը բանտարկվել է 2009 թ. հուլիսին` 2008 թ. փետրվարի 19-ին կեղծված նախագահական ընտրություններին հաջորդած մարտիմեկյան ողբերգական իրադարձություններով պայմանավորված: Լրագրողը մեղադրվում է իշխանության ներկայացուցչի նկատմամբ բռնություն գործադրելու եւ զանգվածային անկարգություններ կազմակերպելու մեջ: Դատավարությունը նշանավորվել է օրենքի բազմաթիվ խախտումներով, մասնավորապես` մեղադրող եւ պաշտպանող կողմերի միջեւ հավասարության սկզբունքի մշտական ոտնահարումներով:

          Չնայած Եվրոպայի խորհրդի խորհրդարանական վեհաժողովի, Եվրամիության, ԱՄՆ կառավարության, բազմաթիվ այլ միջազգային կազմակերպությունների եւ
          արտասահմանյան կառավարությունների կողմից լուրջ քննադատություններին` հարցը մնում է չլուծված, եւ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանը ներկայումս երեք տարի տասնմեկ ամիս սահմանված ժամկետով պատիժն է կրում «Արթիկ» քրեակատարողական հիմնարկում:

          Վերջերս` «Կոշ» քրեակատարողական հիմնարկում գտնվելու ժամանակ, նրա նկատմամբ ֆիզիկական եւ հոգեբանական ոտնձգություններ են իրականացվել, քանի որ նա հրաժարվել է դադարեցնել իր թերթում հոդվածներ գրելն ու իշխանություններին անընդհատ քննադատելը: Նախորդ երկու ամսվա ընթացքում Փաշինյանը 4 անգամ հարձակման է ենթարկվել: Վերջին հարձակումը տեղի է ունեցել նոյեմբերի 17-ին` Փաշինյանի քնած ժամանակ` երկու դիմակավոր անձանց կողմից: Նախքան դեպքի հետաքննությունը` ՀՀ արդարադատության նախարարությունը հանդես է եկել հայտարարությամբ` հռչակելով, թե ոչինչ տեղի չի ունեցել, եւ Նիկոլը դիմակավորներին տեսել է երազում: Հետաքննությունը փաստացի սկսվել է միայն այն բանից հետո, երբ լրագրողը ներկայացրել է կատարվածը` տրամադրելով ապացույցներ` իր անկողնու սավանը` զինվորական «սապոգի» եւ արյան հետքերով: Փաշինյանի առողջությանը եւ կյանքին շարունակում են սպառնալ լուրջ վտանգներ:

          Մենք` ներքոստորագրյալ կազմակերպություններս, պահանջում ենք, որ Հայաստանի իշխանություններն ապահովեն «Հայկական ժամանակ» օրաթերթի գլխավոր խմբագրի կյանքի անձեռնմխելիությունն ու անվտանգությունը, պատժեն ոճրագործներին եւ արգելեն բոլոր այն գործողությունները, որոնք այս կամ այն կերպ ուղղված են Փաշինյանի անվտանգության դեմ: Մենք նաեւ պահանջում ենք ՀՀ իշխանություններից, որ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանն անմիջապես ազատ արձակվի:

          Սույն պահանջագիրը բաց է ստորագրության համար:

          1. «Չորրորդ ինքնիշխանություն» օրաթերթ
          2. Հելսինկյան քաղաքացիական ասամբլեայի հայկական կոմիտե
          3. «Խոսքի ազատության պաշտպանության կոմիտե» ՀԿ
          4. Թրանսփարենսի Ինթերնեշնլ հակակոռուպցիոն կենտրոն
          5. Քաղբանտարկյալների կանանց «Շահխաթուն» միություն
          6. Հելսինկյան հայկական ասոցիացիա
          7. Հելսինկյան քաղաքացիական ասամբլեայի Վանաձորի գրասենյակ
          8. Ժուռնալիստների «Ասպարեզ» ակումբ
          9. Իրավունքի եւ ազատության կենտրոն
          10. «Մենք-Պլյուս» ՀԿ
          11. «Միջնաբերդ» մշակութային-լուսավորչական ՀԿ
          12. «Հույս» ՀԿ
          13. «Երիտասարդությունը հանուն ժողովրդավարության» ՀԿ
          14. «Հետք» շաբաթաթերթ

    3. To Njdeh
      Njdeh,

      The fact that the full text of your comment is posted indicates to me that Keghart may be misinformed but definitely is not biased.

      The claims you make that a sanctioned newspaper in Armenia is in fact an Azerbaijani newspaper published in Armenian, or that the former president is a "snake head" do not help to bolster the claim you want to make. However, I admit that you placed me in some sort of dilemma; Is editor Nikol Pashinian jailed for his views or for his disorderly conduct outside the realm of expressing his views?

      I admit I do not know the details. I endorsed the petition to safeguard freedom of expression and transparency.

      1. Vahe, I never claimed

        Vahe,

        I never claimed Keghart is biased (at least in those terms). Keghart might be misinformed as well.

        I’ve been an avid reader of Haykakan Zhamanak, Chorrord Ishxanutyun , Zhamanak and the rest. Is it a coincidence that any article published by them is immediately put on Day.az or Azadliq? Or vice versa? Yellow journalism is one thing. Treason is another. As far as I’m concerned, yes Haykakan Zhamanak is an Azerbaijani newspaper.

        Levon Ter Petrosyan? Where do I start? His presidency years? Or after his "resurrection" ? Have you heard his speeches lately? Then you’ll understand why he is the snake’s head.

    4. Njdeh, Look at both sides of the coin

      Njdeh,

      My impression is that you are not looking at both sides of the coin. Your text and allegations are baseless. Have you followed the trial of those who were charged for March 1 events? If yes, here are my questions:

      1. When, how many times and how Nikol provoked civil disobedience and violence where 11 citizens were killed? How were they killed? Who exactly killed them and in what circumstances? When answering please do not refer to any court, or any institution, and try on your own to prove them, because I don’t believe that the courts in Armenia are fair. I have many years of personal experience in telling this.

      2. Do you accept that everyone has the right to freedom of speech and peaceful demonstrations, thus expressing their views?

      3. How many times the elections can be violated and what kind of country  or judicial system are you  expecting to have with such a dictatorial  authority that reproduces itself with false and made-up elections? What is a court that cannot be relied on by the citizens of Republic of Armenia?

      4. When the army attacks peaceful demonstrators during the night and even during the day threatening to destroy everything on its road, do the people have the right to self defense? Who were the army officers or police officers that killed the 11 fellow citizens and for what reason? Is homeland for you equal to power of kleptokrats? What is a homeland in your understanding? Please describe values and not materials.

      5. Presumably you have been to Armenia. Do you like it as a country where there is rule of law?

      6. When you ask to remove the petition from Keghart.com, what makes you think that others don’t know about Pashinyan and you are the only one who knows the truth? Is this a Petition for Pashinyan or for you, for me, for others, for those whose rights are violated and abused and we all want not to happen again in our small Armenia?

      Your comment about rejecting Bojolyan’s case is totally wrong. His case was rejected because of improper case filing required by certain procedures of the European court. European court never announces its decision unless appellation is preceded. Bojolyan’s case was not accepted and was rejected because it was not about violation of rights and freedoms.

      My last question for you.

      What are you going to do when your vote gets stolen and your right to elect is violated? Please, elaborate with accuracy and details.

      Thank you
      Edgar Manukyan

  24. Stop Blackmailing Mr. Njdeh Apigian!

    Mr. Apigian,

    If you are so confident in the competency and fairness of the judicial system in Armenia and that it upholds the rule of law, then why do you mention Bojolyan and the European Court’s decision?

    If the European Court’s decision  is the benchmark of justice for you then why do you forget that the same judicial system has concluded in many other  instances that the Courts’ decisions in Armenia were not valid. Do you want examples? The very same case about A1plus that you mention in your posting will suffice. Not only the European Court decided that the Armenian Court was wrong in rejecting A1Plus’ claims, but also obliged the Armenian government to compensate for the damages.

    If the Courts in Armenia are just, then why real criminals are free in Armenia? Poghos Poghosyan was killed by the bodyguard of then President Kocharyan and walked away freely from the court. Why this court system could not find and punish those who killed 10 people during March 1 events? I am ready to accept that Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Nikol Pashinyan were guilty if a trial were conducted and the guilt proven. Do you really think that the regime would have let them go if there were proofs against them related to March 1 tragedy?

    Regarding false allegations of Haykakan Zhamanak being an Azeri daily, why did not the courts make the same decision against it as they did to Bojolyan? Is it despotism or patriotism of the regime that tries to silence what you call the  "Azeri newspaper", exercising only illegal pressure on its jailed editor? Why not prove that it is an Azeri newspaper and jail the whole staff of Haykakan Zhamanak?

    With all his drawbacks Nikol Pashinyan is entitled to have full rights to freely express his opinions. Why do you neglect to mention his public declaration that should the Azeris start a war against Armenia he will become a soldier fighting against Azerbaijan?  

    The real problem is that your hate against Ter-Petrosyan is overwhelming and confounds your judgement. I am not a fan of Ter-Petrosyan either, and I might agree with you that some of his views may endanger the security of Armenia; but I am sure of this, we need free speech, and only through free media we can express our arguments against any that may compromise the existence of Armenia. If anyone whose arguments are not acceptable to you becomes a Turk or an Azeri, then you are left with only a couple of thousands of "patriots" like you. But stop, hating the Turks never means loving Armenians!

    1. To Aram

      Aram,

      Your response is verbearing, but I will give you my time and answer paragraph by paragraph.

      If you are so confident in the competency and fairness of the judicial system in Armenia and that it upholds the rule of law, then why do you mention Bojolyan and the European Court’s decision?

      I never claimed that Armenian courts are perfect. But to dismiss every single decision by an Armenian court as corrupt, is idiotic at best. Bojolyan and many other cases which went to European court and were REFUSED  are a case in point.

      If the European Court’s decision  is the benchmark of justice for you then why do you forget that the same judicial system has concluded in many other  instances that the Courts’ decisions in Armenia were not valid. Do you want examples? The very same case about A1plus that you mention in your posting will suffice. Not only the European Court decided that the Armenian Court was wrong in rejecting A1Plus’ claims, but also obliged the Armenian government to compensate for the damages.

      I will surprise you I am an avid reader of A1Plus and that is GREAT that they got compensation from the Armenian government. They don’t insult like Haykakan Zhamanak and others. Except, I will tell you from now, they will not win the tender to broadcast in the hearing coming up soon. It’s sad I know.

      If the Courts in Armenia are just, then why real criminals are free in Armenia? Poghos Poghosyan was killed by the bodyguard of then President Kocharyan and walked away freely from the court. Why this court system could not find and punish those who killed 10 people during March 1 events? I am ready to accept that Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Nikol Pashinyan were guilty if a trial were conducted and the guilt proven. Do you really think that the regime would have let them go if there were proofs against them related to March 1 tragedy?

      Aram , independent Armenia’s history starts in 1991. Why is Vano Siradeghyan free? Why is Levon Ter Petrosyan free?Why are the Sukiassians free? They were there much before Kocharian.

      Regarding false allegations of Haykakan Zhamanak being an Azeri daily, why did not the courts make the same decision against it as they did to Bojolyan? Is it despotism or patriotism of the regime that tries to silence what you call the  "Azeri newspaper", exercising only illegal pressure on its jailed editor? Why not prove that it is an Azeri newspaper and jail the whole staff of Haykakan Zhamanak?

      Because we really  want to belong in Europe, that’s why. Because we have borders closed on two sides and we can’t afford any more isolation that’s why. Because all too often freedom of speech gets confused with anarchy, that’s why. I have 50 more "that’s why’s" but I’ll spare you.

      With all his drawbacks Nikol Pashinyan is entitled to have full rights to freely express his opinions. Why do you neglect to mention his public declaration that should the Azeris start a war against Armenia he will become a soldier fighting against Azerbaijan?  

      Ay Aram, Nikol Pashinyan has always had "full rights to freely express his opinions", and I’ve read all of them, trust me. He is mentally unstable but even then, he is entitled to his opinion, of course. But he has no right to organize hooliganism and encourage people to beat/kill policemen and burn cars. About him being a soldier, Qach Nazar also claimed a lot of things as well. The leaders who truly fought and won the war are Serge Sarkisian, Robert Kocharian, Vazgen Sargsyan and the "Herosneri Heros" Monte Melkonian. Regardless of what became of the first three afterwards this is the truth. "president" levon was busy with mental constipation in Yerevan at the time. 

      The real problem is that your hate against Ter-Petrosyan is overwhelming and confounds your judgement. I am not a fan of Ter-Petrosyan either, and I might agree with you that some of his views may endanger the security of Armenia; but I am sure of this, we need free speech, and only through free media we can express our arguments against any that may compromise the existence of Armenia. If anyone whose arguments are not acceptable to you becomes a Turk or an Azeri, then you are left with only a couple of thousands of "patriots" like you. But stop, hating the Turks never means loving Armenians!

      Free speech? There is loads of it in Armenia. Of all the Armenian newspapers in print 90% are Levon mouthpieces, should I do the list? Freedom of speech is one thing. Immorality is another. Levonakanutyun is the latter.

      Keep Pashinyan in jail for crimes against Armenia and the Armenian nation. G pave!!!

      1. Njdeh, Fascism is not for Armenia!

        A question was raised by Aram, and I quote,

        "Regarding false allegations of Haykakan Zhamanak being an Azeri daily, why did not the courts make the same decision against it as they did to Bojolyan? Is it despotism or patriotism of the regime that tries to silence what you call the "Azeri newspaper", exercising only illegal pressure on its jailed editor? Why not prove that it is an Azeri newspaper and jail the whole staff of Haykakan Zhamanak?"

        Njdeh, your reply was,

        "Because we really want to belong in Europe, that’s why. Because we have borders closed on two sides and we can’t afford any more isolation that’s why. Because all too often freedom of speech gets confused with anarchy, that’s why. I have 50 more "that’s why’s" but I’ll spare you."

        Dear Njdeh, reading your answer one might thank God that  "we have borders closed on two sides and we can’t afford any more isolation", since otherwise the regime would turn to explicit fascism arresting the whole staff of the most popular daily in Armenia "Haykakan Zhamanak". What about arresting its tens of thousands readers as well?

        That is not a solution, my friend. We can argue with Nikol Pashinyan easier when he is in freedom rather than behind bars. And there is nothing in common in our desire to "belong in Europe" and hiding our dirty laundry, especially when it is really not possible to hide it!


  25. Dear Njdeh

    Dear Njdeh,
     
    Do you really trust Armenia’s judicial system? If you do, allow me to say that you are misinformed informed. If you don’t, your quote cannot be a basis for a reasonable judgment.
     
    I suggest that you make a quick search on the web with the keywords Armenia, courts and corruption. Here’s one result:
     
    In a 2005 survey of 1,500 households (published in 2006), the areas considered most corrupt were the police, courts, and the prosecution system.
    Nations in Transit: Armenia, 2007, http://www.unhcr.org/refworld/pdfid/4756ad550.pdf
     
    Did you follow the trial of Nikol Pashinyan? Have you watched ALL the videos of March 1 events?
     
    Opposition papers that are highly critical of government serve Azeri interests? Well, do you know where Armenia is headed to, led for years by corrupt governments? The following video may be enlightening – it is from the ARF’s Yerkir media TV station in Armenia, posted on the website of Asbarez:
     
    Where is Armenia headed if its public media, national culture and the mothers and fathers encourage the next generation to embrace the dishonest life–one of crime, corruption and individual self-interest?
     
     
    1. Ghazaryan, You’ll find the answer

      Ghazaryan,

      You’ll  find the answer to your first paragraph in my answer to Aram.

      Oh yes surveys…. You’re telling me very very old news. Where did I ever claim that all the areas you mentioned are unproblematic? Just like in 12 of the former Soviet Republics. Why? Each for a separate reason. Why ? blame the people. Not only the ones at the top, but also at the bottom,. These fairy tales about "if Serge goes we will build a new Armenia" "if Robert goes we will build a new Armenia" "if Boghos goes we will build a new Armenia" , are getting pathetic really.

      All the questions you ask have nothing to do with what I’m saying. Again this is all old news.

      You want to change it ? Organize about 200,000 Diaspora law-abiding Armenians to move there. See what will happen. The rest about surveys articles etc. is empty talk. We all know the problem is there. Nobody is claiming otherwise.

  26. About Njdeh’s Expired Propaganda

    Njdeh Apigian clearly appears to be a real fan of Nayiri Hounanyan. Njdeh – meghq anounit…

    I regret to tell you, but nowadays you’ll face greater difficulty to dig out people to cheat or disorient with your anti-Levon and anti-Vano irrational and hysterical hatred, due above all, to the intellectual bankruptcy …

    Ala~s, the golden age of raping society’s brains with consistent H1-style brainwash has passed with no return. By the way, have you read a line of Vano Siradeghian’s valuable literary & publicistic heritage? I strongly doubt you have….

  27. Stop Your Groundless Slanders, Njdeh!

    Njdeh, I advise you to read in "Aravot" Daily Aram Abrahamyan’s editorial http://www.aravot.am Dec. 02, 2010, about Murat Bojolian, "CHARGED" and "CONVICTED", as you claim, for "spying" for the Turkish Secret Services MIT. "Charged & convicted" of course by the ultimately "legitimate" regime ruling in Armenia and the most "just" Judicial System in the world, headed by notorious Aghvan Hovsepyan.
     

  28. Censorship is not the way

    I read with dismay the comments of Njdeh Apigian. They are typical of all those disillusioned and misguided people, who think they can pass judgement about the "pro-Armenianness" of fellow Armenians, categorize those who don’t think alike as "VERY misinformed or simply naive", and threaten them to follow their instructions in order to "save face". Or else…

    These types are not guided by principles, but by the whims of their momentary narrow interests. Today they can classify Nikol Pashinyan as "Levonakan" or "common criminal", conveniently forgetting that yesterday he was their darling and a staunch anti-Levonakan.

    I do not agree with a lot of Pashinyan’s views, but I can’t disregard the fact that he is imprisoned for his political views. Any expectation of Justice from the current judicial system of Armenia ia simply a farce. Civil disobedience against the criminal oligarchic regime is our only hope of delivering Armenia from the destructive path it is in.

    Rather than threatening Keghart.com, we should all commend it for offering a forum for free speech and discussion, even to disillusioned people like Njdeh Apigian, who want to impose their censorship on all those who don’t think alike.

    Respectfully,

    Harut Der-Tavitian

  29. Njdeh, Nikol and I

    Njdeh Apigian has stirred the pot in a way that Keghart community had not experienced before. I have been reading keghart almost since its inception. I command his tenacity and his interest in the affairs of Armenia. He is much more informed than I am. Having said that, I am not endorsing his views that Nikol Pashinyan got what he deserved.

    Having admitted that I am not as well informed as Njdeh is, I will not debate or rather I cannot debate on the merits of Nikol Pashinyan’s incarceration. This is rather an introspective search as to why I endorsed the appeal. Honestly, upon reading ‘Free Journalist Nikol Pashinyan” appeal I had no clue that he had taken an active part in the March 2008 demonstrations. Why did I endorse the petition then?

    I endorsed the petition on principal that an editor of an Armenian newspaper should be free to express his opinions. I wonder now, after having read more than I had envisioned that the case of Nikol Pahsinyan entailed, and for the sake of argument, is Nikol Pashinyan a journalist or an advocate having taken an active part in March demonstrations as Njdeh claims? I do not expect that an editor of a newspaper not to have personal views. Naturally he or she does and steers the newspaper along social and political views he or she and the editorial board advocate. However, once the editor organizes or is one of the organizers of a demonstration and active participant in steering the demonstration, the rules of fair journalism change in my view, especially as tragic as the March demonstrations turned out to be.

    Recently Glen Beck organized a gathering in Washington DC. I am not sure if Glen Back is regarded a journalist, or an editor. He wears more than one hat. A new genre of newscasters are appearing whom we call talk show hosts although they pertain to television or radio reporting. I bet, had the editor of Washington Post organized such a gathering, or been one of the organizers or active participant of a demonstration that ended up in a tragedy, it would have created serious controversies and even may have endangered the standard of reporting the respected daily commands or expected to command despite the fact that the paper may or may not endorse the policies of the current administration.

    All these random thoughts converge to one important reality to me. Internet age has changed and is changing the rules of the games much faster than we are prepared. We read fast, react fast. Sitting behind the monitor we envision the reported news with our mental prism, which may not be necessarily correct or right.

    Reading is reading, one may argue whether it is on the Internet or from the pages of a book. However, the reality is not so, in my view. There is an element of casualness that comes with reading the news on Internet than it comes from reading from the pages of a newspaper. A host of news gets reported and not all of them necessarily command the same degree of social impact. CNN may report on Kim Kardashian and on the lingering effects of the Haiti earthquake aftermath under the same news header. Thus we face reading the trivial and the not the trivial in one breath or glance if you will. Then again Njdeh in Canada gets his news from the online version of the Armenian newspapers and I may be of the generation that is trying to fit in the new realities of the Internet age having grown up reading news in newspapers.

    Having read the arguments that Njdeh makes, all I can say now is the following. I am not in a position to render a judgment and I should have not rendered a judgment to his case as fast as I did. Was Nikol Pashinian found guilty by a trial of a jury of his peers? I do not even know that. That brings another issue as I live in Diaspora, with my own day to day realities attempt to relate and come to terms with realities of the Republic of Armenia well beyond the sentiments I harbored at one time. However, one thing gives me comfort in endorsing the appeal, Nikol Pashinian should not be coerced.

    1. Harkeli Vahe, Nikol’s free speech

      Harkeli Vahe,

      Nikol’s free speech has never ONCE  been undermined. In the last year EVERY DAY he has been writing the editorials in his newspaper, from his jail cell. He even had a laptop in jail to do that. Isn’t that great?

      Nikol Pashinyan was the instigator of March 1 riots and that’s why he is in jail. Not because of free speech. I remind you that Charles Manson also once claimed that he is in jail because they want to silence him.

      What I’m suggesting to Dikran Abrahamian and Keghart:

      If everyone thinks the Armenian Court is a farce (which I don’t think it is especially in the case of Nikol Pashinyan), soon his case will be in the European Court of Human Rights. If he is acquitted, then I myself will sign the petition. But until then:
       
      1. REMOVE this petition
      2. Send this conversation thread to all the respectable signatories, I already spoke to a couple of them, THEY HAD NO IDEA about the truth.
      3. Don’t let Keghart become a propaganda machine for Levon Ter Petrosian and his pyramid.This is embarassing for this site.

    2. Armenia’s new Justice Minister on March 1st trials

      Armenia’s new Minister of Justice is on record as saying that the trials of participants of March 1st events were a shame for the country. In his opinion, the accused should have been freed. He also stated, "History must also give an answer for the killings of March 1st". Let’s hope that on his new position as Justice Minister, he will do what’s needed to get rid of the shame and free Nikol, Sasoun and the other political prisoners as a first step. I realize that he may not be able to do so because of pressures from above.

      http://www.armtimes.com/20205

      «Մարտի 1-ի դատավարությունները ամոթ էին մեր երկրի համար: Մարտի 1-ի դեպքերի լավագույն հանգուցալուծումը համաներումը չէ: Ես գտնում եմ, որ մարտի 1-ի դեպքերի լավագույն լուծումը հարուցված գործերի կարճումն էր` այդ նույն ժամանակահատվածում: Պատմությունը պատասխան պետք է տա նաեւ մարտի 1-ի սպանությունների համար»: Որքան էլ տարօրինակ թվա, բայց փաստ է, որ այս խոսքերի հեղինակն ընդամենը մեկ շաբաթ առաջ ՀՀ արդարադատության նախարար նշանակված Հրայր Թովմասյանն է: Մարտի 1-ի գործերին նման գնահատական նա տվել է 2009-ի հունիսի 29-ին «Ա1+» լրատվական գործակալությանը տված հարցազրույցում: Այսօր Հրայր Թովմասյանը ի պաշտոնե կարող է նախաձեռնել եւ լուծել «ամոթալի դատավարությունների» հետեւանքով բանտերում պահվող քաղբանտարկյալների ազատ արձակման խնդիրը: Հայաստանի հանրությունը հնարավորություն ունի առանց կողմնակի միջամտության համոզվելու, թե Հրայր Թովմասյանը որքանով է ի վիճակի տեր կանգնել սեփական խոսքերին:

  30. Nicol Pashinyan
    I was saddened to read of the behaviour of our Armenian friends. They have suffered so much for their rights. Surely they should understand better than many others, that freedom of speech is the right of all people.  

  31. To the moderator

    To the moderator,

    My answer to [edited] does not show. Also 1-2 others don’t show if I’m not mistaken. I do hope it’s only a matter of time, and I’m not being censored as I have not used any profanities  (especially since we’re so vigorously discussing free speech).

    Thank you in advance,

    Njdeh

    From the Editor:

    Dear Njdeh,

    1) Each comment box precedes with the following message: 
    "This site is moderated. Comments will be posted within 24 hours. Irrelevant and inappropriate content, similarly slogans will be deleted. Thank you for your understanding.".

    So please be patient after posting a comment and don’t expect your post to appear immediately.

    2) In this unusually tense and passionate discussion allowance is made for other contributors too. One rebuttal to each opponent is reasonable. Beyond that the keghart.com becomes a chat-room which this site is not.

    3) So far your opinion has been abundantly clear and appreciated for initiating a discussion that probably should have taken place long time ago.  At any rate, better late than never.
     

  32. For all who still believe

    For all who still believe that Nikol Pashinyan  is in jail to suppress free speech, watch this video

    For all who don’t understand Armenian he at one point says:

    "I call upon every one of you to have anything in your hands, whether it’s metal sticks, whether it’s stones, whatever you’d like."
     
    This is only one caption. Now you’re forwarding a petition to free this common criminal who caused 10 deaths? Burning and looting of Yerevan?

    It’s time that people learn the truth , rather than simply say , Armenian courts are corrupt.

    Nikol belongs in jail. Stop the petition. It only serves the interests of Armenia’s enemies!

    Dear Njdeh,

    Any Armenian watching carefully the video-clip will notice that conveniently a very significant expression in the above quotation is left out.
     

    "I call upon every one of you to have anything in your hands…. whatever you’d like to organize self-defense".

    The Armenian quote, "Ինքնապաշտպանութիւնը Կազմակերպելու համար:"
     

    Regretfully,  your credibility is on line.  As such Keghart.com is obliged to kindly ask you to withdraw from this discussion.

    Keghart.com

  33. Fundamental Rights

    All societies value their "rights" however defined. One’s knowledge should be shared for the common good. Everyone should have the right to speak one’s convictions without fear of reprisal and there ought not  be any judgment of an opinion expressed.

    An opinion is neither right nor wrong but should serve as ongoing dialogue to enrich a people of whatever conviction or geographic location. The people of Armenia should expect no less and should not settle for less than "freedom of speech without restrictions." Free the journalist so the world can hear his views. The truth shall set him and his people free.

    "Let freedom reign…"

  34. Nicol Pashinyan, “Levonakan syndrome”

    Whoever this Njdeh Apigian is–if such a person does exist on this planet called Earth–he is suffering from  "levonakan syndrome".

    Mr. Pashinyan is imprisoned not because he is a levonakan, but because he strongly opposes the internal and the external policies of the new bosses of Armenia.

    It is not a secret that regretfully Armenia is a pseudo-democratic state. The leaders of Armenia are not elected democratically, and everybody knows it, including the great powers. The latter are not interested in the democratic process of Armenia, but in having a vulnerable government, not elected by the majority, so that they can exploit its weaknesses and obtain as many concessions as possible.

    When a Pashinyan, or a Sefilian opposes the authorities and exposes their undemocratic character and by doing so opens the eyes of the people, the government of the new oligarchs and the corrupt elite of Armenia will surely create Njdehs or encourage people like him to attack on individuals who do not share the values of  the the regime.

    Minas Kojayan
    Los Angeles

  35. Free Nikol Pashinyan
     No government can claim to be a Democracy unless it values and protects freedom of speech and allows fair and just process of law to anyone arrested. Nikol Pashinyan must be freed on both the above counts.

  36. Dear Dikran Abrahamian

    Dear Dikran Abrahamian,

    It is with sadness that I note that your site is far from being a forum for free and open discussion. When you heavily edit  comments (at your own will), when you decide to freely not post evident comments such as my answer to Der Tavitian (conveniently mentioning that you can’t moderate 24/7),  ESPECIALLY when my answers do not include any profanity, then you are fooling yourself and others my friend. Things become especially comical when you ask me to “withdraw from this discussion” because my credibility is on the line. A rather civilized way of saying “this is my site, and I’m censoring you”.  Fair enough. But please don’t call yourself a defender of free speech. You’re a defender of “convenient” free speech.

    I will make this in point form:

    1)  About my credibility re: the youtube video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_C0X_qXEIs

    which is one of many many on the riots organized by Levonakan Mafiosi and about the “self defense” part. I’ll give you the scenario:

    You attend an ILLEGAL demonstration and occupy a public square for two weeks calling it “peaceful”, desecrating it in every way possible and you do it in a former Soviet republic. The police/army comes in to violently disperse the illegal demonstration. Examples of “peacefully dispersed” demonstrations by the police are so rare even  in the most civilized countries that you and levonakan complaints about it are ridiculous. Most recent memory are the protests against G8 G20 summits in “democratic” countries. You know what? Police always have the upper hand. Even people got killed during the dispersal in Italy couple of years ago. Did police get in  trouble? Never. The rule for illegal demos and protests is simple, around the world. You’re searching for trouble. And you will get it. “Self defense"? Yeah, try saying that, during a riot, to the average American / Canadian police officer, let alone a Russian, Ukrainian or Turkish police officer (the supposedly progressive “neighbors” of Armenia).  Self-defence in this case is disobeying the orders of army personnel/ police officer. However much you think they are corrupt or they don’t have a right to do what they’re doing etc. Self defense in this case equals one thing: Hooliganism. So now, whose credibility is on the line Mr. Abrahamian?

    2)  You and your amigos on this forum are complaining about free speech and Nikol Pashinyan. I  will remind you again of Murat Bojolian’s case. Around 2003 there was also a petition just like this one mirroring exactly what you and others are saying here. A) He is not guilty of spying.  B) Armenian courts are corrupt so the verdict is unjust. C) His free speech is being repressed. Fair enough. A year ago the European Court of HUMAN RIGHTS AGREED with the Armenian court that yes, Murat Bojolian was spying for the Turkish Intelligence Agency and yes,  his jail term is justified. Case dismissed. Even after this, levonakans still consider him a “political prisoner”.  So I ask you, which judgement is acceptable for you and levonakans? Who are you to decide that Nikol is not guilty of hooliganism? And who says that you’re not even more biased than the Armenian court you’re criticizing. And I clearly said and I repeat. IF THE EUROPEAN COURT DECIDES THAT PASHINYAN IS NOT GUILTY, THEN I WILL BE THE FIRST TO JOIN THE PETITION WITH APOLOGIES TO ALL.  But supporting him now you’re simply sending a message that yes, it’s OK to loot, burn and kill police officers, if your candidate doesn’t win the election, or you feel your rights are trampled upon. And you are perpetuating a lie that this is about free speech. I remind you, Charles Manson also complained that the U.S government is silencing him. Where do you draw the line Mr. Abrahamyan?

    3)  The last thing on my mind is to defend Serge Sarkisian and Robert Kocharian. The last thing on my mind is to say that Armenia

    is in the right track in internal politics. It’s also the last thing on my mind to say that levonism is remotely close to a healthy opposition. They’re neo-fascists. You want real opposition? Raffi Hovannisian and Heritage party.

    4)  Last but not least, this is my advice to you: If you truly want to make Keghart a beacon of free speech, then you don’t ask people to withdraw from discussions, just because their opinion differs from yours. Especially when no profanity is being used. Especially when you allow comments from the opposing camp which are much more vulgar. Don’t be afraid of the uncomfortable truth. For one thing because  it gets 1057 reads (and counting), a big difference in number, from your other posts. Why? Because people are interested. Because people need to know. Especially the poor signatories of the petition  who have no idea what they’re signing. Whose credibility is on the line now Mr. Abrahamian?

    Because the TRUTH is rarely comfortable and cozy. And truth especially in Pashinyan’s case has many layers of untruthfulness. To think otherwise is naivete at best. Question is : will you post this present comment unedited? Or all posts on Keghart should be…. Comfortable …

    Goodbye Dikran Abrahamyan.  Very disappointed in you. Let the joyful posts in your defense begin!

    Dear Vrej,
     
    1) Two of your submissions were not posted and the reasons were privately mailed to you in detail requesting to revise them and post them back if you so wished.
     
    a) Your rebuttal to Mr. Der-Tavitian. He has expressed his personal opinion and should have been treated as such which was not the case.
     
    b) Your rebuttal to Mr. Basmajian. Four instances of personal inappropriate remarks were directed towards Mr. Basmajian. That’s inappropriate in a public discussion and hence was not posted.
     
    2) The reference to posting and moderating 24/24 was not at all related to your rebuttal to Mr. Der-Tavitian, but to your expectation of almost instantaneous publishing. Incidentally, the delay was less than twelve hours which was electronically recorded.
     
    3) There has been absolutely no editing of any of your comments related to substance but to common typographical errors such as one left here for illustration. In the subject line it’s written Abrahamian whereas towards the end it is Abrahamyan.  Syntax errors too were looked after.
     
    4) You were asked to withdraw not because of your opinions.

    Harkanknerov,
    Dikran Abrahamian

  37. A Post Scriptum on my final post here
    If you want to do the right thing and start a petition about human rights in Armenia, you would start it in support of Sarkis Hatspanian. As far as I’m concerned the ONLY political prisoner in Armenia today. And I would be the first signatory.

    One last time, Nikol Pashinyan is responsible for hooliganism and killings that happened on March 1,. Supporting him, is tantamount to supporting a common criminal. In the name of "human rights".

    Njdeh

    Dear Njdeh,

    A) Message to 19

    Please have a look at the following message that I sent on November 30, 2010 to 19 scholars whose reputation is international and can attest to this message.  It was in relation to clarifying where Keghart.com stands on this particular issue. 19 stands for the names of the people to whom the e-mail was addressed.

    Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:27:42 -0500
    From: Dikran Abrahamian <[email protected]>
    To: [19]

    Thank you….,

    With respect to freedom of expression and human rights we cannot pick and choose and use varying standards in such matters.

    I just had an on-line conversation with a close friend who pointed out that Pashinyan is a Levonagan and thus serves the purposes of  "coloured" revolutions promoted by the west.

    My answer is as follows:

    Irrespective of what Pashinyan espouses he is a victim of an autocratic regime. He was beaten and threatened in jail. Those acts alone, exercised against an intellectual suffice to look at the case as a matter of violation of freedom of expression and of human rights.

    Keghart supported Hatsbanyan. We did not ask whether he is a communist or not. Keghart supported Avedis Kalayjian and in fact conducted a telephone interview with him. At the time his ultra-religious views,  which Keghart does not share at all, were not a factor. Keghart demanded justice when Edik Baghdasaryan was beaten. Nobody from Keghart questioned his political views. When Arat Dink, Serkis Seropyan, Karin Karakashli, Aydin Engin,  and Erdal Dogal were charged, Keghart did not bring into play their national and citizenship issues.

    The point is, any intellectual, irrespective of colour, race, ethnicity, political affiliation etc when victimized we should raise our voice, otherwise worldwide true democratic movement gets compromised.

    Thanks for your support.

    Dikran

    B) Sarkis Hatspanian

    Turks Demand Freedom for Armenian Intellectual
     

  38. In defence of Keghart and Njdeh Apigian

    For the record,

    I signed a petition for freedom of speech because I believe in freedom of speech and conscience.  Not because I espouse the opinions of those whose rights have been violated.  If a Genocide denier is imprisoned because he/she publicly expressed his/her opinion, in my view, that is a suppression of freedom of expression. I will stand up to defend their right to express their opinion, no matter how reprehensible I will find that opinion in of itself.

    In the specific case of Mr. Pashinyan, I actually dislike his style and political positions as well as the content of his writings.  I am not a fan of LTP neither of his past nor of his present. This however does NOT diminish from the fact that Mr. Pahinyan voluntarily gave himself up in the hope of getting a fair and just treatment.  Any pressure applied to him in any shape or form, whether it is physical, psychological, threats to his family etc. is a manifestation of the behaviour of an unjust state and must be stopped.  That is why I signed a petition.

    Whoever Mr. Njdeh is, he has made himself very clear.  He has also made clear, by his language and style, the degree of his conviction.  I congratulate him for single-handedly having revived the readers of Keghart.  I am sure that he can see that his crusade has had the exact opposite effect.  This article has had the single highest number of readings in memory [in single day – Editor], of anything that Keghart has ever published, as well as the most comments in favour of Keghart’s position.

    Mr. Njdeh’s pointing out of the appropriate video link has also made the Keghart moderator question his credibility because of a major faux-pas.  Presenting as evidence something exactly contrary to what is the reality, and hence cutting off his rights to comment or discuss matters.  This, of course, based on the assumption of the lack of good faith on behalf of Njdeh’s part.

    I will argue the opposite in this case.  Had Njdeh truly been of bad faith, he would have gone to the extent of perhaps editing the last section of the video, or even watching the video himself and deciding that it is not worthy evidence.  I think, if anything, it demonstrates Njdeh’s belief that all will interpret the video the way he interprets it.  I do not think he is guilty of bad faith in the discussion.  I will therefore ask Keghart’s moderator to kindly restore Njdeh’s right to comment. For the sake of freedom speech.

    As a comment on the video, I do not think that Mr. Pashinyan’s call is uncharacteristic of his confrontational style.  I personally dislike it, but one cannot be criminalized for style.

    In defense of Keghart, and hopefully as an eye opener for Njdeh, I would quote directly from the last (2009) Amnesty International country report on Armenia which specifically addresses the March 2008 events and its aftermath, you can find the full report here

    http://thereport.amnesty.org/sites/default/files/AIR2010_AZ_EN.pdf

    "….

    Impunity

    In October, four police officers were charged with using force against members of the public during the demonstrations on 1 March 2008. By the end of the year, no independent inquiry had been conducted into allegations of use of force by police during the March 2008 events. In June 2008, an ad hoc parliamentary commission had been established to investigate the events, but did not function because the opposition refused to participate. A separate factfinding group made up of representatives from diverse political factions and the Ombudsperson was disbanded by presidential decree in June 2009, before it became operational.

    The prosecution in the case of the shooting of Mikael Danielian, a human rights activist, was discontinued in May on the grounds that the perpetrator had allegedly acted in self-defence. In May 2008, Mikael Danielian was shot at point-blank range with a pneumatic gun by a former leader of the pro-government Armenian Progressive Party. Human rights groups voiced concern that key witness statements had not been considered by the prosecution. Mikael Danielian lodged an appeal against this decision, but no decision was made on his appeal by the end of the year.

     Freedom of expression

    On 30 April, Argishti Kiviryan, a lawyer and journalist, was severely beaten by a group of unidentified men outside his home in Yerevan. The attackers reportedly beat him with sticks and attempted to shoot him. The OSCE Representative for Media Freedom called on the authorities to investigate the attack and expressed concern about the lack of investigations into violent attacks against journalists, contributing to a climate of impunity. In July, two suspects were detained. The investigation was ongoing at the end of the year.

    ….."

     

    Paregamoren

     

    Viken L. Attarian

     

  39. Njdeh, thank you for admitting the crimes of the RA governemnt

    Indeed, there is no need for Njdeh to withdraw himself from this discussion, since the more he speaks the more it becomes obvious that he is simply yet another piece of blunt propaganda machine of Armenian government, now sent here to do what Armenian "public" TV station did during 2008 March events and continues to do so until now – that is to present one sided, edited information, and based on that force its own opinions on the public.

    On the other hand whoever he is or whoever the people are who direct him made a huge slip:

    by admitting for the first time, though unofficially but publicly that Police and ARMY was used TO VIOLENTLY DISPERSE peaceful and unarmed demonstrators at the Square of Freedom starting at 6:45 am on Mach 1st 2008. 

    For those who might not be informed well,  the official version of the government was and is that Army forces were not used  until later on that day when the state of emergency was declared (which is not the case because there are many photos made during the day showing military presence on the streets of Yerevan).

    Also the government claims that Police did not attempt to disperse the demonstrators early in the morning but rather intended to perform search for allegedly hidden weapons at the square. Of course this explanation doesn’t stand any logic because by law Police can not perform any search during nighttime and night time is considered to be 10pm-7am).

    For those of us who lived in Armenia and who closely followed the events since March 1st, all the facts are clear and obvious and the public in Armenia clearly knows what has happened during those days.

    However, outside the country there are many people who are not well informed and that is the exact reason why Mr. Njdeh launched a "Haylur" style propaganda in the hopes of brainwashing uninformed public, just like it was done during the 20 days of the state of emergency after March 1st by all TV stations.

    So keep going to reveal yourself  Mr. Njdeh.

    Levonakan vs Non-Levonakan

    Personally I support the people’s movement led by Levon only for one reason:

    -they are fighting to restore the constitutional order, that is:

    -they are fighting for having free and transparent elections!

    They proved during 2008 elections. For example, I don’t recall any dashnaks being beaten, kidnapped or intimidated in their attempts to prevent election fraud. I doubt if they attempted to stop fraud at all.

    People like me, who are supporting this movement today, sure will oppose to anyone be it Levon or another of today’s opposition leaders who will not follow the democratic path.

    Democracy is first of all a means for people to get rid of the corrupt government that lied to people. The struggle today is to return to people their right to rule through elections!

    Therefore, leaders who come up with plans and promises but do not implement them and cannot prove that  they are fighting for free elections then they are not any different form the current government.

     
    1.  I  have maintained silence

      I  have maintained silence, reading most  of these posts re journalist Pashinyan.

      However, when I read yours  Mr.  Yervant  karapetyan, I could not resist adding just following.-

      Indeed, if we guide ourselves  on Demcoracy Rule (as written, but never followed  to the letter) then, no one should be fined or imprisoned . Here, just  two words come to mind that  of  Mohandas Mahatma Gandhi, PEACEFUL RESISTANCE. He never  ¨suggested´ even to prepare for……¨´DEFENSE¨, suggesting, cold weapons, or sticks etc. So much for that.

      1. As regards to prevailing  Election  rules, again it’s one thing  on paper and another in practice. As an example for this:-

      In Europe, especially, in America  as well  there is public Lottery w/many modes.- One, say myself, wins the BIG one, Euros 360 million. Since I am interested in politics and more  or less  an Armenian activist (Europe), I commence to go PUBLIC  creating my own (example again) ¨Democratic Socialist ¨ political party. Ask my kin and close friends and circles to elect me as president of same. Then I begin choosing (mind you not electing) amongst  latter  my party´s functionaries and through these sub-committees, like the Advertising/propaganda, the ¨¨benevolent¨¨(hasgcoghin barev)  then a host  of such, gathering up clout, especially through Gov. contacts, by and by gaining position alongside ruling clique(s).Please imagine the rest  yourselves…

      Now I ask you, is this Democracy?

      2. More  digestable  now, the second category that is more or less practicing Democracy in action.- That  of the traditional  and non-traditional political  parties(above being born one(s) inclusive:-

      I shall  suffice  in saying I respect especially those  which have some respect and tolerance towards others and do not go to extremes then repent and go kneel in front  of ¨competing´ shall we say analogues….
      I am ready to bring examples of latter  that occurred  in Yerevan, Armenia, if you wish to insist..

    2. How about the murders that happened
      How about the murders that happened before 1998? How about the"democratic" elections of 1995 and 1996?

      1. “Nardos” aka Njdeh

        I do not preclude the possibility of politically motivated murders before 98, during Ter Petrosyan’s presidency, when late Vazgen Sargsyan, Vano Siradeghyan, Serzh Sargsyan were the ministers of state power institutions.

        95 , 96 elections were far  from being democratic. I personally think they were rigged, again at the time when the above mentioned persons were in power.  I also think,  that  period marked the beginning of the end of democracy in newly independent Armenia where the first steps of it started to be implemented in 1991 by the same leaders.

        If I were to do a superficial comparison between 1996 and 2008 elections and their aftermath I would note the following:

        -In 1996 the opposition attacked the Parliament building, beat up the deputy of the Parliament

        -In 2008 no such thing happened.

        -In 1996 police fired only in the air (Serzh Sargsyan asked from Ter Petrosyan permission to open fire on demonstrators attacking the Parliament building; Ter-Petrosyan ordered to fire in the air. Despite the attack, no one from demonstrators was killed.

        -In 2008 among 11 victims killed on the streets of Yerevan some were shot by sharpshooters, others by direct shots by police, and still others were killed by Cheryomukha special means which are  not intended to fire on people. None of the victims, except the killed army soldier and the policeman were armed.

        1. After all, power and
          After all, power and non-power state institutions operated with the knowledge of commander-in-chief.

  40. Yervant, What am I to Conclude?

    In a posted comment I admitted that I am not as knowledgeable as many here on Keghart are regarding demonstrations, exercising freedom of speech in Armenia etc.

    After having followed the comments and thus having educated myself regarding Nikol Pashian’s case, I fault those who worded Free Nikol Pashinian appeal. There was no mention made there about Nikol Pashinian’s participation in March 2008 demonstrations. The appeal conveyed that Journalist/Editor Nikol Pashinian is being incarcerated to curtail his freedom of expression. I, being not as knowledgeable as many in Keghart are, could not figure for the life of me that Nikol’s incarceration had anything to do with March 2008 demonstration and that his right to exercise his freedom of speech meant his right to express himself during the heat of the demonstration of which amply was reported and I meant to say not only in the Armenian press but such as in NY Times. I thought, upon reading the appeal, here is an editor, who is writing his editorials critizing President Sarkissian’s administration and is being now silenced. Having said this I am not implying that I support Njdeh.

    There is a limit of freedom of expression, verbal or otherwise, and that can only be known if the context within which the freedom of expression is expected to be exercised is amply made known. A case in point on the limits of freedom of expression? What about Awlaki, the natural born American citizen, who is exercising his right of freedom of expression in presumably Yemen and making his expressions pretty well known all over the world. Well guess what? His freedom of expression has created a dilemma whether US Government should bring down one of its own citizens.

    Now you post that “the police (Armenian) tries to ban protest action in Ijevan”. What am I to conclude? Do you expect me to conclude that the corrupt President Sarkissian’ government is silencing its own citizen again? Do you think that it’s fair and right for me to conclude what you are indirectly inferring for me to conclude by posting your comment at a time of heated discussion of a related happening without letting me know the context within which the demonstration is taking place? Should I outright conclude that the corrupt government of RoA and its unscrupulous police are silencing another protest?

  41. Dear Vahe you are free to conclude whatever you want

    Dear Vahe,

    First of all I thank you and all the others for the deep concern and interest that you now show with regard to Armenia without ever having lived there. Having said this, I am afraid you still need to educate yourself a little bit more about Armenia’s political life in general and Nikol Pashinyan’s case in particular before you can conclude anything and fault those who worded Free Nikol Pashinian appeal. If you read the text of the petition again carefully you will see:

    1. “We…are deeply concerned in the imprisonment of Nikol Pashinyan, editor-in-chief of Haykakan Zhamanak ("Armenian Time") daily in Armenia, and his treatment in jail.” Nikol Pashinyan is imprisoned for more than a year and I haven’t heard anybody (including Keghart editor, many other readers of this site, you or anybody else in Diaspora who has never lived in Armenia in their lives) publicly voicing their concern about his imprisonment.

    As one of the readers has mentioned in his comments, we Armenians who either live in Armenia or lived there most of our lives were pleasantly surprised to see this petition. One of the reasons for our big surprise was our impression of the lack of great interest in finding out the truth about those events and deep concern by you about March events in 2008 which was rather disappointing for all of us.

    Armenian government censored and therefore shut down the independent press during 20 days in the aftermath of those events which per se precluded any other information going out of Armenia except the few blogs and emails that managed to escape the censorship of KGB on the web (youtube, radio freedom and many other websites, for example, were ILLEGALLY shut down in Armenia during those days). So, on those days whatever information reached you including the one on the pages of New York Times was coming only from officials of Armenia.

    2. “…the veteran journalist has experienced coercion behind bars. We attest that these reprehensible acts of the authorities–aimed at silencing Mr. Pashinyan and punishing him for his political views–will have the opposite outcome,…” “…hoping that he will be released soon. Meanwhile, we demand that the Armenian authorities put an end to the unlawful acts against him and ensure his security.”

    By doing this Armenian authorities proved that jailing Nikol Pashinyan was aimed at silencing him. Being unable to shut him up even by putting him in a jail they used all the imaginable and unthinkable methods with the help of criminals and authorities in the jail and try to shut him up. These included several attacks on him by inmates who clearly demanded from him to either stop writing editorials or write to Serz Sargsyan a letter admitting his guilt and asking forgiveness, or at the very least ask the authorities to transfer him to a closed regimen jail (among other things criminals demanded from him to remove the Armenain flag that he had on the wall next to his bed). By this his life was put in danger.

    After all these, attempts by our government failed, and Nikol, despite the threat to his live, was still writing, they finally put him into punishment cell for 15 days where he was held in complete isolation from outside world and was not allowed to have anything in the cell including pen and paper. At the end of these 15 days they moved him to a closed regimen jail in the north west of the country, few hours away from Yerevan, where he is being held now. He is unable to write anything until now since November 17th. This was his last appearance and his last public statements:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WE5SDHhNZM8&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hR5RL6aY870&feature=player_embedded#! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s47ACq1RymA&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sMdPU-JhvE&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuvoM9XAyEQ)

    You say  “…Nikol’s incarceration had anything to do with March 2008 demonstration and that his right to exercise his freedom of speech meant his right to express himself during the heat of the demonstration of which amply was reported and I meant to say not only in the Armenian press but such as in NY Times.” 

    What was reported in the press that you read? What makes you think that if Nikol has anything to do with the demonstrations it makes him a criminal? Ironically, today it is the opposition that demands from the government to investigate and find the murderers who killed the victims (including a policeman and a young army soldier who was shot from behind) on March 1st 2008.

    The relatives of those victims are supporting opposition and believe that the murderers and those who gave the orders to murder will not be found until this government is in charge. For your information several of the victims were shot by sharpshooters and some others were killed by firing directly on them the special means called “Cheryomukha” which was supposed to be used only as a means of dispersing crowd by firing in the air and causing a gas cloud in the atmosphere.

    There is a video documenting this very moment of murder on youtube among many others documenting the crimes of the regime on those days. The context of the video on police banning the demonstration is the following: People organized a demonstration in the hometown of Nikol Pahsinyan for his support. The city authorities were notified according to the law. The organizers did not receive any objection when notifying. That means the demonstration is accepted into knowledge by the authorities and there should be no obstacles. Then you see what happens on the actual day of the demonstration: Police unlawfully restricts the right of all the people to move freely. You can see that even those people who are not related to the rally are not allowed to move freely. A woman is asking them to allow her to go to the bank and Police lies to her that the bank is closed. Only after long argument they let her pass and go to the bank. You also see that police is obstructing the journalist who is doing the video.

    This is what happens in Armenia today and this is what Armenian people are struggling against. I am not forcing you to conclude anything. I am only trying to make you more informed. If you are interested you can inform yourself very well using many of the news websites that report Armenian news. I can give you a few examples of those (many of them have English versions): A1plus.am Lragir.am Tert.am Epress.am News.am Azatutyun.am (also radio station) You, as everybody, are free to conclude whatever you want.

    1. Further Facts to Support what Yervand Presented

      I think this A1Plus interview with Andranik Kocharyan about March 1st events and who was behind them is very relevant to what Yervand has presented so eloquently. I have to agree with all what Yervand said even though I have core disagreement with some views of Levon Ter-Petrosyan regarding the role of the Republic of Armenia for the Armenian people and the role of the RA in the region as well as its relationship with its neighbors. 

      http://www.a1plus.am/am/politics/2010/12/6/andranik-qocharyan

      ԱԺ-ում ներկայացված 2008 թվականի մարտի 1-2-ի  ժամանակավոր հանձնաժողովի առաջարկությունների կատարման ընթացքն ուսումնասիրող մոնիթորինգի հանձնաժողովի զեկույցը Մարտի 1-ի փաստահավաք խմբի անդամ, ՆԳ նախկին նախարար Անդրանիկ Քոչարյանին առանձնապես չի հետաքրքրում: Իսկ թե ինչո՞ւ. պարոն Քոչարյանը հիմնավորեց «Ա1+»-ի հետ հարցազրույցում: 

       – Կարիք չկար ծանոթանալ Դավիթ Հարությունյանի հրապարակած զեկույցին, որովհետեւ վերջին շրջանում նրա բոլոր զեկույցները եւ հատկապես մարտի 1-ին վերաբերողը’ կրել են իմիտացիոն բնույթ: Դրանք հիմնականում մեկ խնդիր են լուծել. եղած փաստերը, որոնք պետք է պահեին ուշադրության կենտրոնում եւ հասնեին որոշակի բացահայտումների, դրված են մի կողմ եւ իրականացվում է մի մշտադիտարկում’ առանց տալու հիմանական հարցերի պատասխանը:

      – Ձեզ համար ո՞րն է ամենահիմնական խնդիրը Մարտի 1-2 դեպքերի հետ կապված:

      – Կարեւորագույն հարցը, որը մնացել է չբացահայտված 10 մահվան հանգամանքների ուսումնասիրություններն են եւ մեղավորների չբացահայտումը, չնայած դրա համար իշխանություններն ունեին բավարար տեղեկատվություն: Եթե նրանք նույնիսկ չունեին այդ տեղեկատվությունը, ապա Փաստահավաք խմբի 5 զեկույցները լիովին բավարար էին մարտի 1-ին վերաբերող բազմաթիվ հարցերի պատասխանները գտնելու համար:

      – Ձեր կարծիքով 10 սպանություններն էլ հնարավո՞ր էին բացահայտել, եւ դրանցից որո՞նք են Ձեզ համար արդեն բացահայտված:

      – Այն 7 ամիսների ընթացքում, ինչ գործեց Փաստահավաք խումբը, կարողանալով օգտագործել նույնիսկ իշխանությունների ձեռքին կուտակված, Հատուկ Քննչական Ծառայության ունեցած նյութերը մարտի 1-ի վերաբերյալ, որոշակի բացահայտումներ արեց: Ըստ էության’ կարելի է ասել, որ մենք կանգնած էինք առնվազն 5 սպանությունների լիարժեք բացահայտման շեմին: Կարծում եմ’ իշխանությունները դրանից վախեցած, առաջին զեկույցից հետո ամեն ինչ արեցին, որպեսզի Փաստահավաք խումբը չկարողանա բացահայտել այն կառույցները, որոնց միջոցով իրականացվել էին մարտի 1-ի դեպքերի ապօրինի որոշումները: Շատ ուշագրավ էր Փաստահավաք խմբի վերջին զեկույցը, որտեղ ուսումնասիրված է մարտի 1-ին բանակի մասնակցության խնդիրը: Լավ կլիներ, որ Դավիթ Հարությունյանը առաջին հերթին տար այն հարցերի պատասխանը, թե մարտի 1-ին բանակի ներգրավում, որը հակասահմանադրական էր եւ ապօրինի, ինչպե՞ս եւ ինչ մեխանիզմով է իրականացվել: Փետրվարի 23-ից հետո, Ռոբերտ Քոչարյանի մոտ խորհրդակցությունից հետո, այն ժամանակվա Պաշտպանության նախարար Միքայել Հայրապետյանը ինչպե՞ս կայացրեց այդ որոշումը, եւ մարտի 1-ին բանակը ինչպես բերվեց եւ տեղակայվեց Երեւանի կենտրոնում: Այս հարցերի պատասխանները քանի դեռ չեն տրվել, քանի դեռ չեն ստիպել, որ պատկան մարմինները, հատկապես ՀՔԾ-ն իրականացնի լիարժեք բացահայտում, մնացած մշտադիտարկման խնդիրները, թե «Չերյոմուխա-7»-ը հնացա՞ծ էր, հնացած չէ՞ր, ո՞ր զորամասում ոչնչացվեց, սոցիալական, կոռուպցիոն խնդիրները, որոնք կարող էին բերել’ դժգոհությունների խնդիրը չեն լուծելու: Փաստորեն այսօր բոլոր մարդասպանները, որոնք իրականացրել են այդ սպանությունները, գտնվում են ազատության մեջ: Ավելին, գոնե նրանցից մի քանիսը Ներքին Զորքերի համակարգում են, որոնք կրակել են KC- 23 ինքնաձիգից’ նշանառու կրակոցով, որի իրավունքը չունեին:

      – Փաստահավաք խմբի լուծարումից հետո, փաստաբան Սեդա Սաֆարյանի հետ Դուք շարունակեցիք 2008թ. մարտի 1-2-ի ուսումնասիրությունները, զեկույցներ հրապարակեցիք: Այս պահին ինչո՞վ եք զբաղվում: Նոր զեկույց սպասվո՞ւմ է:

      – Դժվարանում եմ ասել’ նոր զեկույց կունենանք, թե’ ոչ: Զեկույցներից դուրս մարդկանց մոտ հսկայական նյութեր կային կուտակված’ տեսագրություններ, ձայնագրություններ, որոնք մեզ կհաջողվի հավաքել, տեսակավորել եւ դրանց արժեքավոր բաղադրիչները ներկայացնել հանրությանը’ գուցե փոքրիկ տեսքով:

      – Պարոն Քոչարյան, գոնե Ձեզ համար մարտի 1-ի դեպքերը բացահայտվա՞ծ են:

      – Ինձ համար’ այո:

       – Ո՞վ է պատասխանատուն:

       – Գործող իշխանությունները’ Ռոբերտ Քոչարյանի գլխավորությամբ:

       Հարցազրույցը վարեց Վիկտորյա Աբրահամյանը

      1. Aram, My Last Comment and Inquiry

        Aram,

        Not to render the Keghart forum into a chat room, this will be my last comment and inquiry regarding March 2008 demonstration and Nikol Pashinyan.

        For the benefit of the English speaking readers, let it be noted that in this interview, the interviewee – Andranik Kocharyan – claims that the government did not help the inquiry as to who was responsible for the shooting that resulted in the deaths of 10 people at the March 2008 demonstration. He holds the Robert Kocharian government responsible.

        Aram, please help me out here; what does the interviewee’s allegation have to do with Free Journalist/Editor Nikol Pashinyan appeal? As far as I understand, Nikol is being held for being an organizer and a leader of the March 2008 demonstration to which the appeal, disingenuously, makes no reference. The appeal claims that Nikol Pashinyan, as an editor, is imprisoned to silence his views and is being coerced which of course is not acceptable and tolerable for any prisoner

        Aram, you seem to believe that this interview bolsters Free Journalist / Editor Nikol Pashinian appeal, but I cannot find the association and the linkage.

        1. Reply to Vahe

          Dear Vahe,

          I sent the interview with Andranik Kocharyan to support his points in the following sections of his earlier comment replying to your enquiry:

          "Armenian government censored and therefore shut down the independent press during 20 days in the aftermath of those events which per se precluded any other information going out of Armenia except the few blogs and emails that managed to escape the censorship of KGB on the web (youtube, radio freedom and many other websites, for example, were ILLEGALLY shut down in Armenia during those days). So, on those days whatever information reached you including the one on the pages of New York Times was coming only from officials of Armenia".

          You say  “…Nikol’s incarceration had anything to do with March 2008 demonstration and that his right to exercise his freedom of speech meant his right to express himself during the heat of the demonstration of which amply was reported and I meant to say not only in the Armenian press but such as in NY Times.” 

          "What was reported in the press that you read? What makes you think that if Nikol has anything to do with the demonstrations it makes him a criminal? Ironically, today it is the opposition that demands from the government to investigate and find the murderers who killed the victims (including a policeman and a young army soldier who was shot from behind) on March 1st 2008. 

          The relatives of those victims are supporting opposition and believe that the murderers and those who gave the orders to murder will not be found until this government is in charge. For your information several of the victims were shot by sharpshooters and some others were killed by firing directly on them the special means called “Cheryomukha” which was supposed to be used only as a means of dispersing crowd by firing in the air and causing a gas cloud in the atmosphere". 

          "This is what happens in Armenia today and this is what Armenian people are struggling against. I am not forcing you to conclude anything. I am only trying to make you more informed. If you are interested you can inform yourself very well using many of the news websites that report Armenian news. I can give you a few examples of those (many of them have English versions): A1plus.am Lragir.am Tert.am Epress.am News.am Azatutyun.am (also radio station) You, as everybody, are free to conclude whatever you want."

          Also, let me notice that the appeal starts with:

          “We…are deeply concerned in the imprisonment of Nikol Pashinyan, editor-in-chief of Haykakan Zhamanak ("Armenian Time") daily in Armenia…". And this interview with Andranik Kocharyan is a resource of information for people who are really interested in having an unbiased opinion on what happened on March 1st, 2008 and if Nikol Pashinyan really committed a crime during these events. 

           

    2. Yervand, Clarification Due

      Sireli Yervand, hopefully we meet one day.

      On a personal note all of my parental family members have been in Soviet Armenia. I, when I was a college student, my mother as  a Diaspora Armenian language teacher, my late father as godfather-Kavor, my late brother as a baptismal godfather. I plan to spend time in Armenia of course after I tune down from active work. My wife and sons have not been there.

      I never meant to fault the appeal nor those who endorsed it, as I also endorsed. However, retrospectively I fault the manner in which the appeal is worded. Claiming that an editor is silenced for his views, is true, however it is disingenuous and devoid of context in my view.

      There are two aspects with Nikol Pashinyan’s case: his imprisonment and his treatment as a prisoner.

      Regarding his imprisonment, I quote what I have said in a posted comment earlier and I stand by it: “I will not debate or rather I cannot debate on the merits of Nikol Pashinyan’s incarceration” and that “I am not in a position to render a judgment and I should have not rendered a judgment to his case as fast as I did.”

      Regarding his coercion, I quote from the same earlier posted comment and I stand by it as well of course: “However, one thing gives me comfort in endorsing the appeal, Nikol Pashinyan should not be coerced.”

      Coercion is a humane issue not legal issue. Naturally I or anyone else could not possibly support less than civil treatment of prisoners whatever their conviction may have been that lead to their conviction.

      Courts and laws are made by genderless men and are never perfect and will never be perfect, but are meant to be upheld by consent or by enforcement. Laws in the United States of America become the law of the Land by a simple majority vote in the Supreme Court. That tells me that laws are not absolutely just or fair. In my thirty years in the United States the shining moment came when Al Gore graciously accepted the verdict of the Supreme Court and outright told the world, that the laws of the nation have rendered their verdict and he conceded defeat. I often wonder what could have happened if civility had not prevailed and abiding by the court’s decision was challenged on the streets. Al Gore did not have my vote, but he will always have my abiding respect and gratitude for the graciousness, farsightedness he exhibited in one of the tensest period of modern American history in my view.

      I believe we in the Diaspora should help the judicial system in Armenia to have adequate checks and balances to render fair and just verdicts, to have recourses for appeal. Diaspora may establish advocacy funds to help legal representation. However, we should refrain pressuring the Armenian court on case-by-case basis. No verdict will be accepted by all of us.

      Please educate me more. You, Yervand or anyone else who is knowledgeable. Nikol Pashinyan did not lead the March 2008 demonstration single handedly of course. He was an active participant with others. What happened to the other leaders or active participants who were charged and why are we singling Nikol in the appeal and not all those who were charged in leading that infamous turned tragic demonstration?

      1. Vahe nine other political prisoners are still in jail:

        -Artsakh heroses Sasun Mikaelyan (had multiple surgeries and heart bypasses while in the jail in addition to still carrying in his body the remnants of the bombs from war)
        -Sarkis Hatspanyan who was in hungerstrike last year near New Year for many days and who only lifted it after Levon Ter-Petrosyans personal request to him.
        -Harutyun Urutyan
        -Aram Bareghamyan
        -forgive me for not remembering the names and the details of the rest of political prisoners.

        More than hundred people from opposition were detained and convicted aftre March events. All of them are released now (with one of them released today: http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/2240745.html) except the 10 left in the jails. This release will continue only if the pressure by Amrneian people will continue.

        “Regime is untying its hands”

        Statement by HAK

        "Contrary to the people’s growing demand for ensuring the security of and releasing political prisoner, editor-in-chief of "Haykakan Zhamanak" daily Nikol Pashinyan, the latter has been transferred from "Kosh" penitentiary to Artik prison and, according to our data, with a strict regime.

        The latest attack on Pashinyan at "Kosh" penitentiary by masked men, as well as keeping him in a punishment room for 15 days for no reason go to show that the regime had no other chance to silence Pashinyan by pressuring him at the penitentiary. The regime is not taking a step to ensure Pashinyan’s security by transferring him to the Artik penitentiary, but is trying to fulfill two objectives: make it difficult for Pashinyan to have daily contact at a distance from the capital and untie its hands by pressuring him in a closed regime without any eyewitnesses.

        We call on the society and each responsible citizen to join the editors, journalists, cultural figures and scientists in Armenia and abroad who have already raised their voices for Nikol Pashinyan’s security, as well as his and the other political prisoners’ immediate release. On the one hand, the subsequent act of violence against Nikol is a new, malicious expression of the authorities’ vengeance and tyranny that recognizes no bounds and on the other hand, it is a touchstone of the persistence and consistency of citizens fighting for his freedom."

        There is an advocacy fund established to help legal representation of political prisoners, including the help for preparing appeals to the European Court of Human rights. 
        The details about this fund can be found by contacting Armenian National Congress
        http://www.anc.am/en/

        19a, Koryun street, Yerevan, Armenia

        Telephone:
        (+374 10) 520974

        (+374 10) 520957

        E-mail:
        [email protected]

        Sireli Vahe,
        if you ever are in Florida anywhere near West Palm Beach would be glad to meet you one day.
        (http://www.scripps.edu/florida/infectology/faculty.html)
        (http://www.scripps.edu/news/press/052809.html)

        Soviet Armenia and todays Armenia are totally different countries with huge differences in peopels lifes.

        Courts in Armenia and in USA are not comparable by any means.

        The problem with Armenian courts is not the lack of "adequate checks and balances to render fair and just verdicts, to have resourses for appeal." The problem of Armenian Courts is that they are NOT  independent! Including the constitutional court of RA which is the supreme instance in Armenia.They are ALL corrupt and directly and strictly dependent and controlled by Serz Sargsyan.
        Even if you wish a lot, neither you , me or anybody else in the entire world can not "pressure the Armenian court on case-by-case basis" except Serz Sargsyan. A single judge in Armenia – Pargev Ohanyan, who refused to excecute the order from the presidential palace and conducted a fair verdict, was dissmissed immediately by then president Robert Kocharyan.

        In order to understand all these, one needs to live in Armenia himself and feel on his own skin the "justice" of Armenian court. As well as the lawfulness of Police which is closely associated with criminals and is totally corrupt.

        People are afraid of raising their voice about injustice or fight for theor rights and freedom since it is dangerous and can lead to loss of job, money, freedom and life. Only a few comments of mine publsihed openly in the opinion/viewpoint section of Haykakan Zhamanak were enough to worry and deeply concern my relatives in Armenia.  We live in a totalitarian regime – dictatorship! Armenia is not independent de facto, neither politically, economically or militarily and its regime is an adjunct of Putin’s regime, the true nature of which admits even American goverment (see wikileaks releases)! The only thing that the dictatorship is afraid of is the truth in the form of free speech. And this is the last thing Nikol wrote in his editorial on November 17th:

        Բռնապետությունը սարսափում է ճշմարտությունից

        http://www.armtimes.com/19321

        A few clarifications about "leading that infamous turned tragic demonstration?":

        The actual site where the deomnstartion was held/lead by Nikol and other leaders – the Myasnikyan square, was far away from the tragedy site where the murders happened and where the looting and burning of the cars happened. In fact the stores in the immediate proximity to the peoples gathering place were not touched. So was not a single glass brocken during the preceding 10 days of non stop rallies at Freedom Square and hundreds of thousands of peoples daily marches on Yerevan streets. People were peacefully protestig during those days and waiting for the appeal decision from the constitutional court on the elections outcome. The regime was afraid of Constitutional Courts disobeiance and possible justice under the vast and increasing pressure of people and that is exactly why the decision was made by the regime to violently disperce the demonstartors at the Freedom Square during the night. Subsequently the decision of the court was made during the State of Emergency with a court building filled and surrounded with army soldiers!

        There is a documentary made by A1plus covering the events of March 1st. You and everybody interested can find it on youtube (English translated version for you ):
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV3JJvHtVNA&feature=related
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RftOqFvtXnw&feature=channel
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaO4TX8XAYk&feature=channel
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0QgLhGqxwQ&feature=channel
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zY07MnbvPw&feature=channel

        If you and Diaspora want to help freedom of speech in Armenia you can contribute to it by voting for A1plus TV who is competing now for the right to air its programs in Armenia in the hopes of reclaiming justice and also in the hopes of recovering its rights based on European Courts decision. The vote is done in a form of money trasnfer to a fund established to support the Peoples TV channel which would be the A1 plus TV channel. The important is not the amount of money trasfered but the vote itselft saying that you support A1plus and want to see it back in the air. Please see the link for more information about the fund, people who supported and other details:

        http://www.a1plus.am/en/social/2010/10/21/supporting

        http://www.a1plus.am/en/politics/2010/12/6/donation

        (a short info clip on A1 and its story:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1yzhf7ZCgQ)

        Again thank you for your interest in Amrenia and th Armenian people’s life there.

  42. Freedom of Speech… Hey-he~~~y
    Dear Admin,

    Thank you for censoring my comment to Viken Attarian’s speech. Adios. Aram

    P.S.: My advice to Conscious compatriots Yervand & Aram – Concentrate your efforts and invest your valuable time on Hayastantsis, not here or elsewhere in the degenerated Diaspora. The fate of Armenia depends solely upon Hayastantsis. Aram – Western Armenian

    Dear Aram,
     
    You were privately informed of  the content being "Irrelevant and inappropriate" for which your submission was not posted.  You had  the option of revising and reposting it, a right that you chose not to exercise.
    Respectfully,

    Keghart.com

  43. Eagerly awaiting a free, democratic and strong Armenia.

    To all My Friends, the Freedom Fighters for Nikol Pashinyan!

    To those so brainwashed and misguided as to call Nikol Pashinyan a common criminal, I would respectfully ask: and who are you to judge as criminal someone so courageous and so principled who freely, entirely of his own accord, gave himself up, fully aware of how corrupt the authorities were. In case he were a common criminal, he would be the first to know it. He would not, therefore, freely give himself up, since he would be fully conscious of the fact that, as a criminal, he would be punished by law. Any unbiased person would readily perceive the absurdity of considering him a common criminal. Only an innocent person would surrender, albeit naively assuming that he has nothing to fear since he has done nothing unlawful. By his surrender to the present ruling authorities in Yerevan who have lost all sense of measure and of decency, I believe he wanted to make a most powerful statement to his compatriots and to all men of good will and integrity worldwide.

    Nikol Pashinyan is telling his fellow Armenians, loud and clear, that he has not the slightest doubt in his mind that they will all stand up as one man to the defense of freedom and the rule of law, and the security and well-being of our people. He, Nikol Pashinyan, is just a means, an instrument, at best a bridge (one of the bridges) for attaining the emancipation of our people from the tyranny of usurpers acting as the owners of their fate and future — and that of their children, grandchildren and grand-grandchildren. If they could, the present rulers of Armenia would establish a thousand-year dynasty of oligarchs and thugs and police and armed forces — a hereditary clan of Ali Baba with his forty thieves transplanted right from the heart of the Middle Ages.

    To men of good will and integrity, to intellectuals and thinkers worldwide who believe that nothing human is worth the appellation if freedom is denied, his is a call to awaken the conscience of all people — a conscience routinely crushed under thick sediments of petty "nationalism", narrow pursuit of "national" interest, and pure egoism. It is a call to stand for principles like freedom and justice and human dignity that differentiate us from — as we claim — the rest of the animal kingdom.

    We do not have to agree with all, or any, of Nikol Pashinyan’s personal views. This applies equally to Mr Njdeh Apigian. I believe, however, that we should feel honored to fight for his freedom because he has shown the uncommon courage to fight selflessly against the excesses of autocratic rulers of the day — something that a common criminal would not dare. Mind you, I do not know who Mr Apigian is, and I have no bias against him. Assuming his name is not a fabrication and that there really is a person of that name, I would give due consideration to his arguments in case he has any. However, I find nothing on the table other than his self-serving navigation in murky waters where he piles up "evidences" from Levon Ter Petrossyan (duly anointed as "head of the snake"), Alik Arzumanyan, Sassoon Mikayelyan, Murat Bojolyan+Turkish intelligence, etc., to declare him guilty by a lopsided attempt of association. My God, Mr Apigian, why don’t you refer us directly to Goebbels himself. You can readily copy the well known secret tricks and magic of the unparalleled Nazi master of deceit and fabrication, and paste it on the Internet to instantly transmute falsehood to truth, black to white, Pashinyan to common criminal, Serge Sargsyan to St. Sarkis — and, last but not least, Njdeh Apigian to his namesake Njdeh who has been enthroned by the ruling Hanrapetakan party to bear false witness on the disgraces and crimes committed in his name by Robert Kocharyan, Serge Sargsyan et al.

    Even with all this farce, however, I would acknowledge the right of Mr Apigian to freely express his views as he deems appropriate, provided he graciously "tolerates" others to enjoy the privilege to do so likewise. As Helvetius said and Voltaire endorsed, could you, Mr Apigian, please add your name and mine to theirs under the following wonderful quotation? — I wholly disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. And, one more favor: Could you, Mr Apigian, ask your apparent sponsors and Serge Sargsyan himself to add their names too and let the valiant journalist Nikol Pashinyan, with the other political prisoners and your people and mine, free at last? Thank you!

    Eagerly awaiting a free, democratic and strong Armenia.

    Sahag Toutjian, Los Angeles

    1. [email protected] Manramasn Sirelou Hayreniq E…” (Not a slogan)

      Couldn’t be  written any better, dear Sahag Toutjian. Gettseq! Your letter reminded me of a wise quote mentioned in one of Vano Siradeghyan’s books "Yergir Ts-bahanj" – "[email protected] manramasn sirelou hayreniq e". Hence,don’t expect much from those who remember or direct their superficial care towards Armenia explicitly during the season when apricot or grape ripens… Allegorically said of course, i.e., occasionally, or when it exactly overlaps or coincides with their personal gains, interests, serves their egoistic needs and pleasures. I’m sure you got what I mean. Regards, Aram.
    2. Mr.Toutjian , can you tell us

      Mr.Toutjian , can you tell us about the murders before 1998? And "democratic" elections in1995 and 1996? Do you have the courage to tell who murdered mayor Hambartsuom Galstian, chief of railway station Hambartsoum Ghandilian and members of (HUB) hayots azgayin panag at the railway station? Your comments are not objective.

      1. Gyadaneri [email protected]

        Nardos, NzhDeh (if Apigian, should have been NzhTeh, I guess) or whoever you are, you best know whom to address your provocative question, not Sahag Toutjian – ask the remnants of  the notorious Soviet KGB, call  from their graves Badamyan, Marius Yuzbashyan (who was physically eliminated by your masters in order to efface the traces), ask the one nicknamed in Heydar Aliyev’s Azerbaijani KGB system as "Narimanov", as well as the lighter caliber Russian KGB provocator tools Razmik & Hovik Vassilians (they’re still alive).
  44. Unlawful acts to silence Nikol continue!

    Authorities refuse to accept and send out his letters from jail. This is an incredible human right violation!

    Նիկոլ Փաշինյանից ՔԿՀ ղեկավարությունը նամակներ և դիմումներ այլևս չի ընդունում «Հայկական ժամանակ» օրաթերթի գլխավոր խմբագիր Նիկոլ Փաշինյանից «Արթիկ» քրեակատարողական հիմնարկի ղեկավարությունն ապօրինաբար հրաժարվում է նամակներ, դիմումներ ընդունել: Այս մասին հայտնել է Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի կինը` Աննա Հակոբյանը, դեկտեմբերի 9-ին Փաշինյանի հետ տեսակցություն ունենալուց հետո: Ըստ Աննա Հակոբյանի՝ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանն իրեն հայտնել է, որ «Արթիկ» ՔԿՀ ղեկավարությունը ոչ միայն իր՝ դեռևս նախորդ շաբաթ հանձնած ծրարները չի փոխանցում «Հայփոստ»-ի Արթիկի բաժանմունքին, այլև սկսել է ընդհանրապես հրաժարվել նրանից որևէ ծրար ընդունել: «Այսպիսով, քաղբանտարկյալ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանը ապօրինաբար զրկված է ընտանիքի անդամների հետ նամակագրական կապից, ինչպես նաև զրկված է որպես «ՀԺ»-ի գլխավոր խմբագիր իր աշխատանքը կատարելու հնարավորությունից: Ակնհայտ է, որ նման աղաղակող ապօրինությամբ վարչակազմը միայն մեկ հարց է լուծում` Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի հոդվածների տպագրությունը խոչընդոտելը»,- ասված է Փաշինյանի համախոհների տարածած հայտարարությունում։ Ինչպես Փաշինյանը տեղեկացրել է կնոջը, ինքն այս ընթացքում ամեն օր հոդվածներ է գրել, մինչդեռ «ՀԺ» խմբագրությունը ոչինչ չի ստացել: Աննա Հակոբյանը հայտնել է նաև, որ Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի նկատմամբ նման ապօրինություններն անհանգստություն են առաջացնում նրա կյանքի և անվտանգության ապահովման տեսանկյունից։ «Մասնավորապես, կապի բացակայության պայմաններում հնարավոր չէ տեղեկություն ստանալ Փաշինյանի որպիսության մասին, ինչը, հաշվի առնելով Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի նկատմամբ տեղի ունեցած նախորդ հարձակումների շարքը, լուրջ մտահոգությունների տեղիք է տալիս»,- ասված է հայտարարությունում։ Tert.am http://tert.am/am/news/2010/12/10/pashinyan/

  45. nver pogeri ev xarnakutyan krakocneri masin

    Pog eq nvirum hayastanin, bayc stugog chuneq te Dzer pogern inch en darnum? Minchev hima Hayastani agjiknern miayn kin darnalu (Vardan Mamikonyani zorqum hay kananc hetsyal gundn ir jardn er talis parsiknerin), isk tganerin angorts u charchi darnalun en patrastum: Hay eritasardnern (tganern u agjiknern) zenqin u texnikayin tirapetel chen sovorum, erb chors kogmum Hayastann talanogner en, Lenini hrea u turq axpernern atamnern srats: Amen hay zinvor ir het petq e tun tani ev zenqn ev hagustn, vorpeszi chkrknvi Aleqsandrapoli patmyupyunn, erb tgamardiq paxan irenc kananc u haverin turqerin nver tognelov: Ete aparanciq irenc bardzunqich chijnein u turqeri jardn chtayin, apa Sardarapad el cher lini,hay el cher lini, manavand komunist (komunizmic ban chaskacog) kochvog hudayakan lrtesneri kogmic Hayastani ankaxutyunn Leninin vachareluc heto: Im ev ayloc kartsiqov xarnakutyunnern Erevnum kazmakerpel en Levon Petrosyani (hayoc voxerim tshnamu) "opozician"(hudayakanneri dzernatsun): Mardkanc vra nshanaru krakognern el drancic en egel: Qocharyann chisht e varvel, vor tuyl chi tvel ishxanutyan brnagravumn u xarnakutyun stegtseln: Stugeq. te ayd spyurqi naxarar tsanotov dratson um hamar e pog havaqum ev inchu e aydqan barekam Hay jogovrdi voxerim tshnaminer Ara Abrahamyani ev Karen Miqaelyani het (kardaceq mer "MTORUM" handesn): Hisheq- ete akahjn e qor galis, charje qitn qchporel:

    Apreq urax!

    ASLAMAZYAN A.K.

    1. Darakazmik “Mtorumneri” Anzougakan Heghinakin

      Hargeli Karapet Aslamazyan, tekouz 1 lourj past tveq dzer merkaparanots ou dzidzaghasharzh steric gone 1-i veraberyal` "Mardkanc vra nshanaru krakognern el drancic en egel" (Marti 1-i [email protected] i nkati ouneq)… I gitutyun dzez nayev asem, vor dzer myus ezhanagin ou bansarkou zrpartutian tirakhi` "hayoc voxerim tshnamu" [email protected] voch te "Levon Petrosyan", ayl i hejouks dzez ou dzer nmanneri` HAYASTANI HANRAPETUTIAN ARACHIN YEV HIMNADIR NAKHAGAH, ARTSAKHIAN HAGHTAKAN AZATAMARTI GERAGOUYN YEV GLKHAVOR HRAMANATAR LEVON TER-PETROSYAN E. Jerm Barevner dzer tankagin Qocharyani yev "Hoktember 27"-i myus derakatarneri Moskovnerum dzvaradz patviratounerin.
      1. ‘Azgayin gaghaparakhosoutyune”

        ‘Azgayin gaghaparakhosoutyune keghts katagoria e", "azgayin gaghaparakhosoutyune fashism e", "azatoutyune aveli bardzr e kan azgaynakoutyune", "Garabaghyan hakamartoutyan kargavoroume tesnel Azerbeijani  hoghayin  amboghdjakanoutyan metch",   "HYE DATN OU
        BAHANDJADIROUTYUNE DA PETAKANAZOURK JOGHOVRTI KAGHAKAKAN 
        DAVANANK E".

        Sharounakenk?

        Inch veraberoum e Artsakhyan hakhtanakneri "himnadir"-in, gnatsek hartsrek  iskakan herosner Arkati Ter Tatevosyanin( komandos) yev Gourgen Dalibaltayanin te ko "himnadir"e inchpes er khangaroum Shoushi-i yev Kelbachar-i azatagrmane.

        1. To Nardos, Shirvanzade or Whoever You Are

          [email protected] iroq abatsoutsets Himnatir Nakhakahin 10-20 darva vaghemutyan polor knahadagannerou [email protected], neraryal tser [email protected] PSEUDO-AZGAYNAKANUTYAN chahagirnerou (ima` Russagan KGB-i goghme sdeghdzvadz gam KGB-i verahsgoghutyan dag kdnvogh) veraperyal. Ourish harts e te Hayasdani, Spyurqi yev Artsakhi hayutyan DGARAMID OU DHAS [email protected] chaylami tirq @ntounadz, chen ouzer desnel te inch gorsdaper yeghav Hayutian yev Hayasdani hamar "Haghtoghagannerou" yev verchinnerous GEGHDZ AZKAYNAGAN arpanyagneroun snang ou anbdough [email protected] Hayutian yev Hayasdani  hamar, miyayn te bahen irents business-nern ou sharounagen hayutian [email protected] (nayev Hye Tadi anounov). Payts te` Khevin Khradn Inch @ne, Sevin` [email protected]

          Mi goutse aveli lav e hartsnem Boy-scout Nayiri yev Garen Hounanyanneroun, Edig Grigoryanin yev anonts cheferoun??? Gen. Dalibaltayani [email protected] skhal dvir, isk [email protected] yete mart @llar [email protected] chour aradz cher babantsver "Hogdemper 27"-en "Mardi 1"-en hedo.

          1. Ayo douk miayngamayn iravatsi ek

            Ayo douk miayngamayn iravatsi ek, miyayn KGB-i "patvalneroum" yev "zndanneroum" patrastvats LTP-n karogh er azgayin bolor arjeknere kortsanel (akanche kanchi Ashot Bleyanin), inchpisin e hayots tseghaspanoutyan, hye dat-i yev pahandjatiroutyan artakin kaghakakan orakargits dours beroume, Artsakhi "shutapuyt" loutsoume (Sergo jan lav es aprelou).

            Chbavakanalov verohishyalnerits, "himnadir"-t grohi antsav ays angam kortsanelou hye azgayin 3 kousaktsoutyunnere. Ayspes, 93-in steghtsets "grpanayin" Hayastani Hye Heghapokhakan Dashnaktsoutyun"-e, 95-in paraktets Hayastan-i Ramkavar Azatakan Kousaktsoutyan parlamentakan fraktsyan (minchev hima oushki chen galis kheghdj ramkavarner-e),  yev verchapes 2010-in herte hasav Hnchakyan kousaktsoutyan, ir […] mech arnelov Lyudmilayin vor hakadrver Mayr kousaktsoutyan. Est yerevouytin douk allergia ounek arevelahye groghneri handep (Hangist toghek kheghdj Shirvanzadeyin). Yev verchoum, bavakan mtoroumnerits heto yes haskatsa vor douk khronikakan  […]  ek.

            Dear Nardos,

            I would kidly request that inappropriate adjectives to characreisze people be not used. […] indicate such instances. May I remind that this site is not a private chatroom, but a media outlet open to the public at large.

            Respectfully,

            Dikran Abrahamian
            http://www.keghart.com

          2. Sireli “Nardos”, Marrazmatic

            Sireli "Nardos",

            Marrazmatic mtadzoghutyan ter andnazorutyunneri het [email protected] iharke anogout zbaghmounq e, gitakits martoun voch sazakan. Sakayn pataskhani iravounkov dzez asem, vor Levon [email protected] KGB-i het [email protected] Charorak Marrazmi verchin ou anhouys stadian e, clinikakan sour drsevorumnerov.

            Norits skhalvetsiq yerp ach ou ahyak "iftiraner" (arm.: zrpartanq, bansarkutyun; eng.: slander) shprtelou dzer moloutsqi mech datoghutyunner aretsiq im grakan nakhasirutyunneri masin. @[email protected]` Shirvanzaden im amenanakhasiradz artsakagirn e, vipagirn ou [email protected], inchpes chapadzoyum` [email protected] (Arevmtahye Tekeyani het). Sa i michi aylots. Isk [email protected] havanum em Arsen Dimaksiani skzbounqayin, [email protected], chnayadz haziv te imanaq.

            Ay douq, sepakan anoun chouneq, vor pahvum eq mert ays, mert ayn "nick"-i hetevum. Verchatsnelov khosqs, darrn apsosanqs haytnem, vor Arachin yev Himnadir [email protected] iroq chkaroghatsav ir haghtakan avartin hastsnel Michazgayim Masonutyunic dznvadz 3 Parravadz Avandakannerin (yuraqanchuri [email protected] arten 1 dar yev 20 tarin ants…) Patmutyan Aghpanots ougharkelou houyzh azgashen ou mer apagayi hamar kensakan [email protected] – Hazar apsos! Aylapes, im kardziqov, mer manouk Hanrapetutyan steghdzumic aveli qan 19 tari ants kounenayinq tasnapatik Hzor yev Yerjanik Hayastan.

  46. Armenian/Turkish relations

    I am an Armenian/American living in the Diaspora. Before coming to America my parents, siblings and I  lived in Jerusalem, the occupied part of Palestine. Keeping it short, life was not what it is now in America.

    As much as I hate what the Turks did to my grandparents, uncles and aunts, I would like to see a reasonable solution to our relationship with Turkey. I hate to admit that now, we need the Turks much more than they need us. We are a Nation that survives on handouts and we are surrounded by enemies on most of our borders.

    It is very hard for us Diaspora Armenians to understand the present situation that exists in Armenia. We did not suffer the tyranny of the Soviet Union and the poverty that Armenians suffered then and now.
    What’s in our hearts will never be forgotten. Nothing can bring back our loved one’s. We all know that what the Turks did to us was a genocide of the worst kind. The entire world knows that too and many don’t dare mention it for political purposes.

    Let bygones be bygones and let us find the best solution possible. Let us shake hands with the devil and save our nation. Let us open our gates to the world and benefit from our relationship with the Turks and others. 
    From the many conversations that I have had with Armenian Politicians, Clergymen, Artists and others I have concluded that,  that is exactly what they would like to see.

    Their argument is always "you don’t understand, you don’t live here"…!  

  47. Here is an example of how real criminals are treated in Armenia
    http://www.aravot.am/am/articles/politics/86817/view

    Մարդասպանին ազատ արձակելու գինը

    Սյունիքի մարզպետի եղբոր որդին ազատության մեջ հայտնվելուց կարճ ժամանակ անց հերթական դժբախտ պատահարի պատճառ դարձավ:

    ՀՀ ոստիկանության ամփոփագրի համաձայն՝ «Դեկտեմբերի 5-ին, ժամը 20.00-ին, Գորիս քաղաքի Սյունիքի եւ Գ. Աշոտ փողոցների հատման խաչմերուկում երկու մեքենաներ բախվել են իրար։ Պարզվել է, որ նույն օրը, ժամը 20.30-ի սահմաններում, Գորիս քաղաքի բնակիչ Մայիս Սերոբի Խաչատրյանը (ծնված 03.05.1981թ.) իր վարած սպիտակ գույնի «Մերսեդես-Բենց CLK-200» մակնիշի սպիտակ գույնի 22-ԼԼ-354 համարանիշի ավտոմեքենայով Սյունիքի եւ Գ. Աշոտի փողոցների հատման խաչմերուկում բախվել է Հարություն Հովհաննեսի Ղարիբյանի (ծնված 01.02.1985թ.-ին) վարած «Օպել-Վեկտրա» մակնիշի բալագույն-մետալիգ 861-ՕՕ-62 համարանիշի ավտոմեքենային, որի հետեւանքով ուղեւոր Տարոն Աշոտի Գալստյանը (ծնված 02.02.1986թ.)՝ ստացած մարմնական վնասվածքներով տեղափոխվել է Գորիսի հիվանդանոց»:

    Մամուլում հրապարակում եղել է այս պատահարի վերաբերյալ եւ մասնավորապես նշվել, որ տուժողները (մեքենայում եղել են նաեւ 2 աղջիկներ, որոնք ստացել են մարմնական թեթեւ վնասվածքներ) Քաղաքական եւ սոցիոլոգիական խորհրդատվությունների ինստիտուտի՝ IPSC-ի աշխատակիցներ են, որոնք սոցիոլոգիական հարցումներ են արել Սյունիքում: Նշվել է նաեւ, որ վթարված երիտասարդի փայծաղը հիվանդանոցում հեռացրել են:

    Իսկ թե ով է Մայիս Խաչատրյանը՝ հիշեցնենք մեր ընթերցողներին: «Առավոտում» այդ անունը ժամանակին բազմիցս է հրապարակվել, քանի որ հենց նա էր, որ Սյունիքի մարզպետի մյուս եղբոր որդու՝ Էյներ Խաչատրյանի հետ, ուսով դիպչելու համար ծեծելով ու դանակահարելով 2004 թվականի փետրվարի 29-ին սպանել էր 34 տարեկան Հովհաննես Բադալյանին՝ նրա երկու անչափահաս երեխաներին թողնելով որբ: «Ես նպատակ չեմ ունեցել մարդ սպանելու, երեւի լրիվ պատահական ստացվել է»,- դատարանում պնդել էր Մայիս Խաչատրյանը: Էյներ Խաչատրյանին կարողացել էին ազատել այս սպանության համար պատասխանատվությունից՝ նա դատապարտվել էր միայն խուլիգանության համար՝ 1,5 տարվա ազատազրկման, եւ շատ արագ հայտնվել ազատության մեջ: Իսկ ահա Մայիս Խաչատրյանը ծանրացնող հանգամանքով խուլիգանական դրդումներով դիտավորությամբ սպանություն կատարելու համար 2004 թ. սեպտեմբերին դատապարտվել էր 12 տարվա ազատազրկման: Ըստ այդմ՝ նա բանտում պետք է գտնվեր մինչեւ 2016 թվականը: Սակայն պատժաժամկետի մի մասը նա անցկացրեց բանտային հիվանդանոցում, իսկ վերջերս պատժի 2/3-ը կրելու հիմնավորմամբ վաղաժամկետ ազատ արձակվեց:

    Դե, հայտնի է, Հայաստանում ավելի հեշտ են ազատ արձակում մարդասպաններին, կրկնահանցագործներին, իսկ քաղաքական պատճառներով ազատազրկվածներին ազատ արձակելու համար միշտ միջազգային կառույցների ճնշումն է պետք լինում: Եվ ահա ազատության մեջ հայտնվելուց ընդամենը մեկ ամիս անց, ըստ մամուլի հրապարակման՝ մեքենան հարբած վարելու պատճառով Մայիս Խաչատրյանն այս անգամ էլ պատճառ դարձավ, որ 24 տարեկան երիտասարդը հայտնվի հիվանդանոցում:

    Մեր ունեցած տեղեկություններով՝ կատարվածի կապակցությամբ Հովհաննես Բադալյանի ծնողները պատրաստվում են բաց նամակով դիմել ՀՀ նախագահ Սերժ Սարգսյանին:

    ԱՆՆԱ ԻՍՐԱՅԵԼՅԱՆ

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  48. Reply to Nardos comment of Wed 2010-12-08

    At first I was inclined to disregard Nardos’ disruptive tirades on a few irrelevant subjects with no bearing on my response to Keghart.com’s call for Nicol Pashinyan’s freedom. But then I thought it would be instructive to briefly comment on this unhappy occasion.

    I refuse to be dragged into the vortex of false challenges "offered" by Mr Apigian (apparently hiding behind halloween masks like Njdeh and Nardos etc just to distract — knowingly or unknowingly but apparently as directed — those who are fighting for a cause — freedom — so close and dear to the heart of any Armenian, including, I presume, Mr Apigian) to discuss a number of matters unrelated to the central issue of freedom of speech presently raised.

    Even the fact that so many different names are being used by the same person renders his disruptive comments highly suspect as to its origin and purpose. Mr Apigian, or Njdeh, or Nardos, or whoever you really are, I am sorry for any person acting as the advocate of the criminals hiding behind the gang that murdered the political leadership of the newly established Republic of Armenia in 1998, who organized the slaughter of innocent and peaceful March 1 demonstrators in 2008, and who are now plundering for their selfish splurge the meager wealth that belongs to the impoverished people of Armenia.

    You prefer to arbitrarily deny this sorry state of affairs, as do Armenia’s present rulers whom you have chosen to blindly endorse. The members or abettors of this murderous gang, whom you have chosen as your mentors, have decided that Nikol Pashinyan is a common criminal, to which you have echoed "Amen!" for reasons I do not comprehend. I call for the freedom of speech of everybody, including that of Nikol Pashinyan, and you say he is a common criminal based on the unilateral decision of our nation’s murderers or their abettors.

    Then you go on, rhetorically challenging me whether "I can tell you about the murders before 1998", and about "democratic elections in 1995 and 1996", and then bombastically asking me if I have the courage to tell who murdered mayor Galstyan and chief of railway station Ghandilyan and members of Hayots Azgayin Panag at the railway station.

    What you are really doing, Mr … Njdeh, is trying to disorient and distract people from the core issue of press freedom by throwing in unrelated peripheral questions to bog down a healthy debate and appeal. Does this ring a bell, Mr … Nardos? Whether consciously or unconsciously, you are using exactly the same methodology, wiggling through the same deceptive mental process and manipulation of words whereby the Turkish government denies the perpetration of the Armenian Genocide by the Ottoman authorities.

    By means of their sly use of the lexicon as reflected in the infamous Protocols, they proposed to settle the Genocide issue through the debates of historians representing both sides. I’m almost sure you agree that the real aim of the Turkish "historians" was meant to kill and bury the Genocide issue in endless Byzantine hairsplitting discussions dragging ad nauseam. Intentionally or just objectively, your baseless and cocksure "verdict" of Nicol Pashinyan being a common criminal aims, similarly, to kill a voice of free speech — a scream in the solitary darkness of a detention cell — as the first stage for his "physical liquidation" announced long ago and pursued relentlessly by the respective authorities.

    In the presumably free and independent Armenia which we all have dreamed about, the billionaire robber barons who fear free speech more than the plague, are at this very moment, as confessed by them since March 2008, planning to murder an innocent journalist because he dared to perform his duty in defiance of their threats. If you and I and all the Armenian people of good will and sound mind disown those who voice for freedom from external and internal enemies, we all will wake up one of these days and hear that Pashinyan or Hatsbanian or one or more of the valiant political prisoners have died of sickness or suicide — in fact, cold-bloodedly murdered by one of those "bravely" black-masked black-robed spider-men (in practically real terms) who killed the peaceful demonstrators of March 2008.

    Courage, my friend Whatever Your Name, is not hiding behind quaint names of our venerable figures of the past — as I am left to assume in the absence of clarity of your real identity — for blurring your traces. It is not to blindly jump to the defense of rulers of the day who do not really need any help since they have the almighty brute force on their side, in their hands, and against their own people and freedom fighters. It is to stand firm against brute force and the unworthy rulers of the day as Nikol is doing — never mind if you agree with his opinions or not. I am, at this very moment, acknowledging that same right to everybody, including you, by virtue of this dialogue with you.

    Under undemocratic rule, obviously the dissident is always at a disadvantage, while the authorities are, officially, always right since they have the exclusivity of might.

    You say my comments are not objective, and you are definitely free to say so. But please listen carefully to what we are saying. We are simply demanding the freedom of Nikol Pashinyan. We are not saying that we support his views; that’s beside the point; we are simply demanding his freedom.

    Oh yes, I temporarily overlooked your claim that he wanted to create mass disorders. I am quite sure he did not, because a well disciplined human mass of much more than 100,000 people in the compact heart of Yerevan, by their sheer presence, would have paralyzed government centers and services, and would thereby realize their objectives. And, I would remind you (I’m sure you already know), many of the opposition allies were alienated precisely for this reason of not passing to action when the moment was ripe.

    The authorities have penalized the demonstrators for this restraint. Thanking them for it would have been more appropriate. Instead of asking me to have the courage to answer a number of your appropriate but ill-timed questions about past events and possible injustice including crimes, I sincerely invite you to display the intellectual integrity (courage, if you so prefer) to stick to the immediate task and join us in demanding Nikol Pashinyan’s freedom as a matter of principle, despite your total disagreement with his views.

    Time may be running out.

  49. Pasinyani masin anvorosh mi kartsiq

    Hargeli hayerin Im kartsiqn Tgtakic Pashinyanin bantarkelu, pogoci kazmakerpats xarnakutyan nra zarmanali masnakcutyan masin es ugarkum em shat karch kartsiq, vorovhetev chunem voch mi nyut manramasn parzabanog, chunem sylfaen tsragrov hayeren tpog tsragir:

    Aranc megadrman irakan himqn imanalu petq che mardun megavor kam anmeg chanacel: Angam anamotner gtnvecin hamaspyurov pog havaqelu: Ayd tgtakic Pashinyann voch miayn masnakcel e pogoci voroshaki xmbi kazmakerpats karavarutyan brni hegashrjmann, aylev iren tuyl e tvel nkarvel vorpes petutyann ah tvog:

    Kama te akama stacvum e, vor tgtakic Pashinyann kam anmit e kam el tshnamu gortsakal: Nshanaru krakocov amboxi migi mardu sra krakeln hudayakghheri gortsn klini: Inch verabervum e "opozicia " kochvatsin kasem vstah, vor dranq jhudneri (jokovi hudayakanneri) gortsakalnern u Hayoc voxerim tsnamin en:

    Asatsums khamozveq, ete kardaq im "MTORUM" lragri "Vstahutyan gogern" hodvatsn: Karog em Dzez ugarkel erb cankanaq: Ete dzezanic voreve mekn ugarki sylfaen taratesakov hayeren tpagrog tsragir shat lav klini: Es iskuyn kvcharem: Indz tvum e, vor angleren “Office “ tsragirn el kogner, erevi, bayc “mail ru” ev “yandex ru” tsragrern ev ayl tsragreri artadrutyunn aysteg hudayakanneri dzerqjn e: Hudayakannern angam hishvats sayteri elektronayin postov hayeri ugarkatsn u stacveliqn argelapakum en:

    Ete hayeren kardal giteq kugarkem nyuter hetaqrqir hayi pativ unecogin
    < [email protected] > postov I shah Hayoc ev Hayoc mshakuytin “PDF” faylov, acrobatov kardalu hamar: Apreq urax ev hajogak gortser stegtselov:

    **
    Amen or el lusabacin xndirq kanem arevin im barev#,
    Hogus uj# nver ta mer hayerin, nranc hogu korovn el chzlana nvirel,
    vor es el uj havaqem u petq linem hayerin:

  50. They Call Us Honest Race

    We don't carry the Seljuk's genes
    They call us honest, dedicated Armenians.
    We don't jail tongues,
    Nor their pens
    Freedom was born with our faith.

    If we jail them
    We belong to another devil race
    Many of them around.
    Let us be different…remain honest.
     
    If we believe in God
    God never sent medals 
    To chain our honest humanitarian hands 
    It is not enough
    That we suffered so many genocides…

    Sylva, MD
     

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