Mandela’s Alleged Memo to Friedman About Israel & Palestine

By Nelson Mandela, in Jefferson Corner – America's Speaker's Corner, 28 March 2001

 

"If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you."

 

By Nelson Mandela, in Jefferson Corner – America's Speaker's Corner, 28 March 2001

 

"If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you."

 

Dear Thomas,

I know that you and I long for peace in the Middle East, but before you continue to talk about necessary conditions from an Israeli perspective, you need to know what’s on my mind. Where to begin? How about 1964.Let me quote my own words during my trial. They are true today as they were then: “I have fought against white domination and I have fought against black domination. I have cherished the ideal of a democratic and free society in which all persons live together in harmony and with equal opportunities. It is an ideal which I hope to live for and to achieve. But if needs be, it is an ideal for which I am prepared to die.”

Today the world, black and white, recognize that Apartheid has no future. In South Africa it has been ended by our own decisive mass action in order to build peace and security. That mass campaign of defiance and other actions could only culminate in the establishment of Democracy.

Perhaps it is strange for you to observe the situation in Palestine or more specifically, the structure of political and cultural relationships between Palestinians and Israelis, as an Apartheid system. This is because you incorrectly think that the problem of Palestine began in 1967. This was demonstrated in your recent column “Bush’s First Memo” in the New York Times on March 27, 2001.

You seem to be surprised to hear that there are still problems of 1948 to be solved, the most important component of which is the right to return of Palestinian refugees. The Palestinian-Israeli conflict is not just an issue of military occupation and Israel is not a country that was established “normally” and happened to occupy another country in 1967. Palestinians are not struggling for a “state” but for freedom, liberation and equality, just like we were struggling for freedom in South Africa.

In the last few years, and especially during the reign of the Labour Party, Israel showed that it was not even willing to return what it occupied in 1967; that Settlements remain, Jerusalem would be under exclusive Israeli sovereignty, and Palestinians would not have an independent state, but would be under Israeli economic domination with Israeli control of borders, land, air, water and sea.

Israel was not thinking of a “state” but of “separation”. The value of separation is measured in terms of the ability of Israel to keep the Jewish state Jewish, and not to have a Palestinian minority that could have the opportunity to become a majority at some time in the future. If this takes place, it would force Israel to either become a secular democratic or bi-national state, or to turn into a state of Apartheid not only de facto, but also de jure.

Thomas, if you follow the polls in Israel for the last 30 or 40 years, you clearly find a vulgar racism that includes a third of the population who openly declare themselves to be racist. This racism is of the nature of “I hate Arabs” and “I wish Arabs would be dead”.

If you also follow the judicial system in Israel you will see there is discrimination against Palestinians, and if you further consider the 1967 Occupied Territories you will find there are already two judicial systems in operation that represent two different approaches to human life: one for Palestinian life and the other for Jewish life. Additionally there are two different approaches to property and to land. Palestinian property is not recognized as private property because it can be confiscated.

As to the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza, there is an additional factor. The so-called “Palestinian autonomous areas” are Bantustans. These are restricted entities within the power structure of the Israeli Apartheid system.
 

The Palestinian state cannot be the by-product of the Jewish state, just in order to keep the Jewish purity of Israel. Israel’s racial discrimination is daily life of most Palestinians. Since Israel is a Jewish state, Israeli Jews are able to accrue special rights which non-Jews cannot do. Palestinian Arabs have no place in a “Jewish” state.

Apartheid is a crime against humanity. Israel has deprived millions of Palestinians of their liberty and property. It has perpetuated a system of gross racial discrimination and inequality. It has systematically incarcerated and tortured thousands of Palestinians, contrary to the rules of international law. It has, in particular, waged a war against a civilian population, in particular children.

The responses made by South Africa to human rights abuses emanating from the removal policies and Apartheid policies respectively, shed light on what Israeli society must necessarily go through before one can speak of a just and lasting peace in the Middle East and an end to its Apartheid policies.

Thomas, I’m not abandoning Mideast diplomacy. But I’m not going to indulge you the way your supporters do. If you want peace and democracy, I will support you. If you want formal Apartheid, we will not support you. If you want to support racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing, we will oppose you.

When you figure out what you’re about, give me a call.

84 comments
    1.  I am not a Mandela scholar

      I am not a Mandela scholar, but I would agree that I question whether he wrote this. It just does not seem like his language, and the viewpoint that he would take on these matters. It is shameful that someone would impersonate him.
      1.  Arjan did not impersonate

         Arjan did not impersonate anyone.  He posted an article WITH his byline which was clearly written by him.  It is the person who reposted it without crediting the author and insinuating as well that Mandela wrote it who is shameful.  That person is the one in the same boat as the authors of all the email screeds, lists that are erroneous, "warnings" etc.  

  1. Mandela Comments
    The question is not if Mandela really sent that letter. The question is its contents. I think Zionists should answer if those comments are true or not. Well..we all know where truth lies..

  2. Nelson Mandela

    Why do we think that Nelson Mandela is a great figure, his comments (facts) prove it.

  3. If the letter really is faked

    If the letter really is faked (which I could see) that is pretty shameful that someone would try to forge a letter from Nelson Mandela. But the need for peace in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is still a major issue. I think both sides share blame for the violence that has perpetuated that area of the world for so many years. I’m not sure exactly what needs to happen but maybe sit the leaders down, have a case of their favorite beer/alcohol and let them figure it out or even duke it out if they must. Either way, I hope the problem gets solved in our life times.
    1. Maybe you don’t read much.

      Maybe you don't read much. Columnists do stuff like that ALL THE TIME. The author made that clear when he published it. Do your research.

  4. Time for Armenians

    It’s time for Armenians to catch on in politics. In politics being flexible is a virtue. In life–business, family or social relationships–this would seem incorrect, perhaps even immoral. In politics do not look for morals: Pretend that you are acting morally while you change your partner(s), concoct fake occurrences, and or semi-true events. Here, on an Armenian platform, we have to utilize our time and effort to study others´ troubles, as well. We need to know what is happening in our neighbourhood and even on the other side of the globe.

    It is commendable to learn while trying to remain non-committal. This latter is also part  of diplomacy. If you take sides you´re in for trouble. You can be on both sides, depending how you go about it. This has to be done quietly though, without drawing attention, consequently animosity.

    I would like to refer to two recent events. The Azeri foreign minisiter was in China doing his best to gain their backing for Azeri "territorial integrity” and obtaining military training from China. At first glance this may seem, to an Armenian, as war preparation. Not so; it’s just diplomatic moves. Another example is Israel showing a disposition to cooperate with Armenia, plan an embassy, encourage trade, etc. Why now? Because  Israel-Turkey relations got a bit cool, after the fiasco at sea. Such issues, plus that of Arab-Israeli relations may also undergo changes. One can never fathom what will happen next. Those diplomats are out there doing their best for their countries.

    Armenians have just begun to act likewise. Let us have  patience and follow up events closely.

    We, as Diasporans, have limited areas that can be explored and worked on as partners with our homeland. However, there are means to do so, if we aspire  to have our permanent delegate alongside the Diaspora Minister. One each from the main Diaspora communities–North America; South America; Europe; Russian Federation; the Middle East. These would each represent their constituencies, intermingle with each other and along with Armenia try to solve problems in many areas. It is in the benefit of all the above to have direct, constant contact with each other and the Repubic of Armenia.

  5. Arab Islamic Racist “apartheid” Slur on Israel’s Democracy

    Nelson Mandela never used the word "apartheid" to describe the Palestinian situation.

    With all due respect to Arab-Palestinian propaganda, the "source" is not reliable. Arab / Muslim apartheid are the largest 'apartheid systems' that exist today. All non-Arabs and/or non-Muslims are considered second-class citizens. Among minorities that feel the wrath of the bigoted Arab-Muslim world include:

    * Berbers (native North Africans, before Arab invasion)
    * Copts (indigenous Egyptians suffer from Arab racism and Islamic bigotry)
    * Kurds (Saddam's Iraq and today's Syria)
    * Blacks, in Arab lands or in Arab-ruled Africa (the genocide in Sudan and slavery in Sudan and in Mauritania)
    * Asians, particularly in the Gulf Arab states (sex slaves or "plain" slaves)
    * Maronites-Christians [Native Lebanese] suffer from Arab ethnic racism and Moslem bigotry.Note the massacres in the 1970s by local Muslims and by Palestinian/Syrian forces.
    * Assyrians are/have been being persecuted racially and religiously. Still very much marginalized in Iraq.
    * Iran is not an Arab country but racism is huge against Kurds, Jews, Turkmens, etc. So is anti-non Muslim bigotry against Christians, Bahai, Zoroastrians and other in the Islamic Republic.
    * Turkey is also a Muslim non-Arab country. Kurds, Greeks, Armenians and other ethnicities have been through much suffering and genocide. Still there's great wide racism against non-Turkish ethnic groups. Turkey's policy in Cyprus has also been recognized as apartheid by many. All non-Muslims are automatically branded  "foreigners" at the "moderate" Islamic supremacy of Turkey.
    * Al-Akhdam in Yemen
    * Gypsies in Jordan
    * Anti-Jewish apartheid:
    * Arab racist apartheid against Jews; attempted genocide ever since the 1920s, (Like the Mufti of Jerusalem at the massacres he incited; the Egyptian Moslem Brotherhood who simply call 'kill Jews')
    * Chased out a million Jews from Arab countries in the late '40s.
     * Boycotted and demonized [every logical defensive action is branded "racist"] the Jewish democratic-free-equal-to-all state only because it's the "other." It is neither Muslim nor Arab.
      *The Arab racist world continues to play with Arab-Palestinians (grandchildren of Arab immigrants) like ping-pong against Israel.

    AND THE BEACON OF APARTHEID HAS THE AUDACITY TO CHARGE MULTI-RACIAL ISRAEL'S BEAUTIFUL DEMOCRACY [THAT OFTEN GIVES PREFERENTIAL TREATMENT FOR ITS ARABS OVER JEWS] WITH THIS TERMINOLOGY?

    THE ARAB DECEPTIVE PROPAGANDA MACHINE THAT ACTS AS IF ARAB-ISLAMIC GENOCIDAL CAMPAIGN IS NOT OBVIOUS TO DETERMINE ISRAEL'S EXTRA SECURITY MEASURES [INCLUDING AN  ANTI-TERROR / ANTI-MASSACRES WALL].

    As if we don't know the 'Arab oil lobby's power over the UN and some African officials who go along with the Arab propaganda.

    Even the promoter of the apartheid-slur Jimmy Carter admitted on CNN:  "I recognize that Israel is a wonderful democracy with freedom of speech and equality of treatment under the law between Arab Israelis and Jewish Israelis."

    Last but not least:: Isn't it true that the anti-Jewish "apartheid" slur campaign is to demonize Jews and to hide the real apartheid practices of the Arab-Islamic world?

     

    1. Dear Maria

      Dear Maria,
      First of all, this article was written a long time ago. Why comment now? Unless you are a member of the Israeli propaganda machine. Secondly, what is your point? You mentioned many negative things that Moslems have done, like the Turkish Genocide of the Armenians, etc. So is that justification for the Israeli brutality against the Palestinians? Would two wrongs make it right?

      1. Hasbara

        Dear Mr. K.,

        You might have a point about Maria’s letter, sent so long after the original article appeared in Keghart. I am referring to your citing of the Israeli propaganda machine. Mossad, etc. consider every Jew a legitimate agent of Israeli government interests. Mossad, etc. have a global network of Zionists who are recruited to write to the media to advance Israeli propaganda. The set-up is called Hasbara. I don’t know what it means in Hebrew.

        It’s possible that the above organization or something similar noted the apartheid article long after its appearance in Keghart, and appointed Maria to write to Keghart. I believe there was a similar instance when a Zionist LA politician wrote to Keghart, more than a year after a certain article appeared, to challenge the points made in that article.

        But then again, there might be no Maria. "Maria" might be a pseudonym used by a covert organization pushing the Israeli point of view. There could be a "reverse" call- centre in Israel, where people spend their whole day writing electronic letters from "Marias" to the global media, to politicians, to influencers.

      2. Some still refuse to learn the facts.

        John K.- Unbelievable comments you made, just unbelievable.

        And why would you yourself choose to comment *now* on some other old comment? You committed propaganda in accusing the other writer of propaganda. Why did you overlook the suicide bombings committed against Israeli citizens? Why do you ignore the rocket attacks against civilians living in Israel? Why? Do you also justify human shield tactics using gradeschools and hospitals as bases for rocket launching attacks against Israel?

        The fact is that the Arab nations said they would take in the Arabs who were living in the area of Israel, and they have not and never intended to take in their own people. Arabs living in Israel have more support from Israel and America than any Arab nation or combination of nations has ever given them, unless you want to call armaments and rockets "support."

        The truth is out there, but you've been blinded by something unholy.

        1. Facts? Really?

          Haz, what you are saying doesn't make sense and is discriminatory, to say the least. There are different    Arabs. Those living in Israel are called Palestinians and they are different from Lebanese, Syrian and other Arabs. They have their own culture and their country. For centuries, they lived on the land that is now called Israel, created by the British in 1948.

          What you said is similar to saying that all Spanish-speaking people are the same. Yet they are different in Mexico, Spain, Argentina, Uruguay, etc.

          Using logic, you should know why Palestinians are throwing stones at Israelis. Everyone is entitled to a home; defending their home from invaders is their primary right.

    2. To Maria

      Israel is a "beautiful democracy"? when has a democracy been so beautiful? One should be ashamed promoting the atrocities in Palestine which is the biggest concentration camp in the world and you say Israel is a "beautiful democracy". Democracy to those Khazar Jews that came from the Caspian Sea to destroy the Palestinian people's lives thanks in large to the Rothchild Banking Empire from London. Read your history about these fake Jews.

  6. Author of “Mandela Memo”

    "On 27 March 2001, after reading Friedman's 'mock memo' I wrote a letter entitled Mandela's first memo to Thomas Friedman to the op-ed editor of The New York Times and I posted the memo on the Thomas Friedman Discussion Board of the New York Times, hoping that Thomas Friedman would read it and that the New York Times would publish it. However, after two days, I came to the conclusion that the New York Times would not dare publishing this piece and I sent it on March 30, 2001 to Media Monitors, "a Platform for Serious Media Contributors", an online daily, which regularly published my contributions.

    Soon, however, I found the 'mock memo' I wrote and which clearly indicated that I wrote it, on various listservers and websites. For example, I found my 'mock memo' on the website of Houston Peace and Justice Center, Progressive Activism in Austin, TX, and listservers such as soc.culture and Indymedia and in different languages, for example German (in which it was claimed that the author is from South Africa) or Spanish. Later, I even found it on the website of the Palestinian Authority's Ministry of Information. Again, without mentioning the original author." – http://arjansweblog.blogspirit.com/mandela_memo

  7. Mandela and the ANC
    This is the Jews reward for defending him and being against Apartheid.  The country is now in shambles, and he along with most of the ANC are against the only democracy in the Middle East.  Can anyone imagine the finest medical facilities, schools, hospitals, and other things if the "Palestinians" controlled what is now Israel?  If you do, I have a nice bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. It would still be a wasteland.  The Jews turned it into a metropolis.  Just like the ANC has ruined SA the Pals would have done the same thing to Israel, aka "Palestine."

    1. “This is the Jews reward for

      "This is the Jews reward for defending him and being against Apartheid."

      Are you suggesting that the only reason the Jews helped Mandela defeat SA Apartheid was to keep him silent regarding Israeli Apartheid… and to increase their status, power and influence under the ANC? There is no other conclusion to draw from your hypocritically twisted comment. 

      You then put the Palestinians in quotes as if to deny their existence. Dehumanization like this enables discrimination, racism and genocide to flourish in Israel.

      You then claim, using an Israeli PR sound bite, that "Israel is the only democracy in the middle east." Didn't Iran recently hold elections? How about Egypt, Israel's ally?

      Telling lies and spitting hatred in response to the wise words of a great man doesn't make you win a debate, it turns you to the gutter. 
       

    2. Wasteland

      It's their land to do with what they want. If its turned into a wasteland then so be it. 

      1. Jewish State

        The unfortunate thing is that Israel was created by European Jews who had lived in Europe for generations and then suddenly decided to return to the place their ancestors had left. Then they proceeded to persecute the Palestinians who had been living peacefully among Jews who had never left in the first place.

        My grandparents left Germany and came to Canada where I was born. The European Jews would be essentially the same as me if I were to go back to Germany. I then would have told Germans, who were born in Germany, that it wasn't their country anymore. And what is worse is that some of these Israeli Jews are the ones who are descendants of Jews who fled Germany and went back to Israel and are now doing to the Palestinians, who have lived there forever, what Hitler's SS did to them. Do you see the hypocrisy here? It's outrageous. Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu is a racist war monger. Many Jewish citizens don't even like him because he is trying to start a war and that's just plain sick.

    3. The Jews Could Have

      The Jews could have made it into something better than a metropolis, but nothing beats freedom. Would you switch your freedom for a metropolis? I don't think so. And you guys are so great at changing the subject. This isn't about how the country's appearance before and after. This is about freedom and human rights.

    4. Apartheid

      Maurice, what a racist and sad person you are. Just the same jingo that promotes hate and anger. One on one you're a coward.

      1. Really?

        Wait. So by stating his opinion he becomes a racist? Isn't that his right in this country? But you don't agree so you have to be nasty? Nice.

        1. Mr. Maurice you are entitled

          Mr. Maurice you are entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts. Listen do some research concerning the Khazars Empire and you will see that 90% of the so called Jews you see today were converted to Judaism some 500 years ago. Eventually they made their infamous invasion of the land of Palestine and started committing these atrocities, thanks in part to the British and the Rothschild Banking Empire.  One should be ashamed defending the biggest concentration camp in the world which is Palestine. Commerce, electricity, water sewage fishing and practically the whole infrastructure in Palestine is controlled by Israel.

          1. Israel/Palestine

            My comment to Maurice is short and to the point.  Catholic Spain slaughtered Jews and the Arabs. Palestine opened its door to provide them protection. They are both Semitic people and ultimately will join together and create a wonderful economic system in the Middle East that both Moses and Mohammed will be proud of.

            So–lets get started to make this happen!!!

    5. Palestine

      Maurice, have you read or seen films on the history of Palestine before Israel "made the desert bloom"? It was a cultured and prosperous region, whose hundreds of villages were razed by the invading Zionist forces.

      Even now, with the terrible occupation, education is effective and valued; restrictions on Palestinian imports and exports, especially, of course, in Gaza, make social and economic advancement impossible, but blaming the occupied ones is unfair. Read a bit of history and articles on the present situation by less biased observers than you probably select.

    6. Middle East Sham

      Maurice, Israel is a sham democracy because it is for Jews only. You forget that Hamas was elected in free and fair elections so it makes a lie of what you claim. You may be interested that Israel and the US attempted a coup to overthrow Hamas which failed (read Chomsky) and this caused the savage attack on Gaza on 2008/2009 in which 1,400 people died and chemical phosphorous bombs were used on civilians which is considered a war crime.

    7. Israel and Apartheid

      Jews being against Apartheid? Get your facts straight, bro.

      By the mid-'70s, an economic and military alliance between Israel and South Africa was on the ascendancy. In 1975 the Israel–South Africa Agreement was signed, and increasing economic co-operation between Israel and South Africa was reported, including the construction of a major new railway in Israel and the building of a desalination plant in South Africa.[18] In April 1976 South African Prime Minister John Vorster was invited to make a state visit, meeting Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin.[16] [19] Later in 1976, the Fifth Conference of Non-Aligned Nations in Colombo, Sri Lanka, adopted a resolution calling for an oil embargo against France and Israel because of their arms sales to South Africa.[18] In 1977, South African Foreign Minister Pik Botha visited Israel to discuss South African issues with Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin and Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan.

      The South African government's yearbook of 1976 says: "Israel and South Africa have one thing above all else in common: they are both situated in a predominantly hostile world inhabited by dark peoples." 
      From the mid 1970s, the two countries were allegedly involved in joint nuclear-weapons development and testing. According to Seymour Hersh, for example, the 1979 Vela incident, was the third joint Israeli-South African nuclear test in the Indian Ocean.[21] Richard Rhodes concludes the incident was an Israeli nuclear test, conducted in cooperation with South Africa, and that the US administration deliberately obscured this fact to avoid complicating relations with Israel.

      The Israeli interest in South Africa sprang in part from the presence of about 110,000 Jews in South Africa, a figure which included more than 15,000 Israeli citizens.

      During Operation Protea in 1981, the South African Defence Force made military history, as arguably the first user of modern drone technology, when it operated the Israeli IAI Scout drones in combat against Angola. They would only be used in combat by the Israel Defense Forces a year later during the 1982 Lebanon War and Operation Mole Cricket 19.

      In 1981, Israeli Defence Minister Ariel Sharon visited South African forces in Namibia for 10 days, later saying that South Africa needed more weapons to fight Soviet infiltration in the region.

      In 1984, Pik Botha again visited Israel but this time only for an unofficial meeting with Israeli Foreign Minister Yitzhak Shamir.

      1. Jews Were Major Aid

        Please Google each of these names together with Mandela:

        Lazar Sidelsky, Helen Suzman, Arthur Goldreich, Albie Sachs, Ruth First, Joe Slovo, Ronnie Kasrils, Harry Schwarz, Nicky Oppenheimer, James Kantor, Nadine Gordimer, Rowley Arenstein, Percy Amoils, Harold Wolpe, Ronald Segal, Denis Goldberg, Norman Bernhard, Rusty Bernstein, Solly Sachs, Ray Alexander, Raymond Suttner, Ady Assabi, Ray Simons, Sydney Kentridge, Wolfie Kodish, Nat Levy, Hilda Bernstein, Joel Joffe, Arthur Chaskalson, Ray Simons, Ina Perlman, Harry Oppenheimer, Oxford Synagogue, Temple Israel, Dan Heymann, Bright Blue, Johnny Clegg, Nik Rabinowitz.

        All five of the white defendants in Mandela's trial were Jewish. Before your anti-s gets into full swing.

    8. Some Substitute for Freedom

      I would rather live and die in a shit hole of a country if the alternative is living under occupation from a terrorist invader. You can shove your hospitals and schools and everything you think is a substitute for freedom on one's own land.

    9. Convoluted thinking

      Hey Maurice, having built extravagant so-called "Metropolis" doesn't give them the right to commit genocide and holocaust on Palestinians.

      They were able to build that metropolis due to the illegal accession of foreign aid from numerous countries by extortion, bribery and more.

      Give the same amount of aid to the Palestinians and they will build a similar metropolis, if not better, but at least they will not do harm to other nations…

  8. Remove This Article

    The memo to Thomas Friedman About Israel & Palestine was not written by Mandela but by a Dutch politician called Arjan El Fassed. Mandela never said anything like this. For the sake of the truth remove this hoax from your website.
     

    1. NM..

      Just a reminder who NM really was.. He was jailed / imprisoned, not for a stand against apartheid, but for high treason. He was directly and / or indirectly involved in acts of terrorism / bombings / murdering of innocent people in South Africa (SA), by bombing soft – very soft – targets such as eat-outs.

      The mainstream media chose and chooses to portray him as a leader, hero, etc, yet he was a terrorist (and no more), from the same "stock" as modern terrorists are. Listening to current radio and TV casts, I'm thinking "I do not know this man" who the media has given "saint-status". It seems as though the whole world knew NM a great deal better than South Africans who live or lived in SA – it is as though the informed listener and viewer is hearing a bunch of fools "talking him up".

      Since the take over of the ANC in SA in 1994, it is estimated that one hundred folks are murdered in SA EACH DAY. That – to all of the media – who think they know something – equates to 36,000 per year 360,000 per decade, 720,000 murders over two decades (i.e closing in on one million)! Start investigating ALL facts for a change / for once and for all, mainstream media!

        1. Mandela Never Committed Violence Against Citizens

          I have several South African friends; two of them are white South African. They agree with the statement in my subject line. It's funny that almost all whites who call Nelson Mandela terrorist are Holocaust-deniers and racists. They are not from South Africa and most have never been to South Africa. And here you are from Australia which was colonized as a prison for the undesirables of the British Empire.

      1. Nelson Mandela Letter

        NM, perhaps you were not around when Israel was being created. Or perhaps you don't know of the actions of some of the statesmen who founded Israel. In fact, they were terrorists against Islamic people who owned land and houses which had, according to the Israelis, been given to the Jews by God. That someone else bought the land and built the houses didn't matter. Soon-to-be Israelis performed actions such as car bombing, destruction of property, and the killing of Muslims to bring about God's will–the creation of the state of Israel. In wars like these no side has totally clean hands. But Israel's stealing of the land from the owners has been little different from Nazi actions against German Jews.

  9. Mandela’s Bias Against Israel

    He clearly states the Palestinian right of return to the Promised Land but he and the U.N. do NOT mention the right of return or compensation to Jews expelled from Arab countries–850,000. All absorbed in Israel. No Arab country accepted the integration of 'Palestinian' Arab brothers into their countries. A point of fact: there is no such people as Palestinian. They are not mentioned in the Koran or the Talmud. Arabs are unable to pronounce the word Palestine.

    1. LOL

      First of all, many Jews arrived because of the Israeli initiative. It has been noted that Jews in the Arab world had much better lives than their lives in Israel, as described by an Mizharim. My parents told me about their life in Tunisia. It was much better to live even in Yemen than in Israel. My parents went to Israel because they were Zionists. They  arrived on their free will. They were not "refugees" as you describe. Palestinian refugees didn't want to leave Palestine. Some 700,000 were kicked out of their homes. Jews from Arab countries arrived on their own free will as described by them. Most of them lived comfortably under Arab rule until they became hardcore Zionists.

  10. Palestinian Rights

    Greetings.

    Israel continues to commit unlawful punishment and crimes against Humanity upon the Palestinian Peoples.

    It matters not, to me, what religion law breakers profess to follow; oppression, apartheid, occupation, theft of land, destruction of property, denial of Human Rights, murder, all of these are criminal acts deserving International sanction and punishment.

    The United States of America is obviously not using its power to resolve this decade’s long criminal occupation, instead, choosing to support Israel and this criminal enterprise.

    Thus the U.S.A. is also criminally culpable; AS ARE Nations such as my own, Australia, cravenly following the U.S.Israeli cowardly unethical directive, for a Government that speaks for us people.

    Religion is irrelevant; these criminal acts originate in the decisions and actions of the Israeli and American Governments.

    World opinion is near unanimous on this point; Israel and the U.S.A. are criminally culpable in the occupation and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Peoples from the land which is their birthright. The Palestinian Peoples are an integral part of the great Diaspora of “Semites”; they have a claim to the land that none of the incoming immigrants can match.

    I call upon members of the United Nations Security Council together with The General Assembly, to re-affirm the many past resolutions condemning Israel, and to institute lawful effective procedures, by force if necessary, to remove all settlers from land internationally recognised as the State of Palestine.

    Such action would help restore the U.N.’s ethical and moral reason to exist, and remind all members to read again their responsibilities to the Founding Charter. The Palestinian question is deserving of resolution, not just lip-service.

    Further, that the United Nations creates a peace keeping force to stay with Palestine until Palestine is peacefully established,

    Regards.

    Thomas W. Adams

  11. Right of Return

    What the "right of return" really means is the slaughter of the Jews. Mandela's comments show he does not understand the Israeli situation. Returning to the 1948 or 1967 borders means planes flying into Israeli high rises, causing thousands of deaths, and starting a huge war. What a shame when leaders make claims without really getting the situation.

    1. Fear and siege mentality

      It is this kind of fear and siege mentality, not based on reality–that the Israeli government uses–among other fabrications to keep people supporting injustice, apartheid and racism. I just returned from Palestine. What they want is simply to be able to live in peace and not under occupation which is terror, humiliation and economic strangulation. They don't, for the most part, even hate the Jews; they just want peace, real peace with justice for everyone – all human beings. Israel is literally, but relatively slowly, driving Palestinians off their own land by making life intolerable. 

      1. The Right Mentality

        Under current circumstances, the Palestinians would like to live in peace. Why? Because they are living the alternative. They do not think that they would become the majority. But it is. And this is the problem.

        Did you know that well over 80% of the Palestinian inhabitants want Sha'ariah law in the West Bank (recent survey)? Another survey said 40% of Palestinians support and encourage suicide bombings. So for you to say "most" want peace is ridiculous. What kind of peace are you referring to? The 40% that support suicide bombings or the 80% that want Sha'ariah law imposed that either severely limits or completely denies the practice of other religions?

        1. Palestinians Do Want Peace

          It was around 15 years ago or so ago that I was at a gathering among friends here in Canada. Around that time there had been relative calm between the Palestinians and Jews and the world seemed optimistic that a resolution could be found in a reasonably short time. It had been one the longest cease fires in my lifetime. At the gathering one of our friends was a Palestinian student from Bethlehem. We had the CNN. Then suddenly we heard a wail from our friend: he was screaming: "That's my house, that's my neighbor. I know him, I know him." He had just watched his friend lethally gunned down in front of his house in Bethlehem.

          When he calmed down, we began to talk. It was surreal for all of us even though we could not fully understand what our friend had just experienced. Eventually I said to him that I did not understand why they were fighting, after all Palestinians and Jews have lived in Palestine for thousands of years and 2000 or more years ago it was as culturally and ethnically as diverse as North America is today. So why even fight about whose land it is when it was always the home of Palestinians and Jews and many others? He said that growing up he always had Palestinian and Jewish friends; they worked together, went out together, and there was no animosity between them.

          He then remembered a particular incident. He said a Palestinian was murdered by a Jew. The Jewish person, who had committed the crime, was arrested and put on trial. But the Jewish courts, run by the Jewish state, acquitted him. The angry family of the victim decided to retaliate against the Jewish family of the murderer. They murdered a member of the murderer's family and so it went back and forth as tensions grew. The governments, instead of attempting to calm the tensions, used the growing unrest to further their own agenda of greed. Now even if the Jewish and Palestinian people want peace it would not matter because their governments would continue to find ways to fuel unrest to serve their greed which benefits neither Jews nor Palestinians.

        2. You Make No Sense

          Palestine belonged to the Palestinians until the unfortunate circumstances involving the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the Balfour Declaration, as well as several other events, which suddenly gave away Palestinian territory to make way for the new state of Israel. Studies prove that there has been a Zionist plan since the early 20th century (approximately 1917) which said that the state of Israel would be introduced through several stages, one of which was the mass migration of Jews to Palestine.

          Since Israel's creation, Palestinians have been living in hell. I know people who were separated from their families, and have not seen them since 1948. I have friends who wait 15 hours at the border to go back to their homeland for just a day. So to say that the majority of Palestinians do not want peace makes absolutely no sense.

          It shouldn't matter what kind of law they want (other than the fact that I've searched the internet and have found absolutely no evidence of such a survey) as long as they want to have their own law. I also highly doubt that 40% encourage suicide bombings. Extremists have given Arabs and Muslims a bad reputation because of their so-called suicide bombs for "Jihad" or whatever it is they do. Doesn't it seem idiotic for people to support something that gives them a bad reputation? Only 6% of terrorist acts carried out on US soil between 1980-2005 were categorized as being by extreme Islamists. A percentage from the same study you might find shocking is that 7% were carried out by Jewish extremists. I speak from experience: most Muslims abhor violent behavior. I have never ever heard of any religion condoning violent acts, and Islam clearly states that it is a religion of peace.

          The most common argument that seems to support the Israeli side is what they went through during the Holocaust. I'm not saying this to be heartless, but so many other people have experienced ethnic cleansing and mass murders or executions. To make matters worse, while Jews who have gone through the Holocaust, Israel, and to a greater extent Zionism, are subjecting the Palestinians to horrors similar to what they had gone through. This is inhumane. Not to mention the mass graves filled with children's bodies that were recently found.

          You say that Palestinians do not want to live in peace? Peace is the least of what they deserve. You say that they support forms of terrorism. They have seen and been through far more terrible situations than most people ever will. You think that they would support laws that severally limit or deny forms of freedom? Freedom is one of the things they most want.

          Don't come here and give statistics that by every logical explanation are proven to be wrong. You don't know anything. Don't speak for the Palestinians when you probably have not even spoken to one. And definitely do not tell me or anyone else that they do not want to live in peace. The last thing my friend's grandmother said was that she only wished she could have lived to see Palestine free and at peace once more. It's a shame that her grandchildren will probably not live to see her dream come true.

          1. Palestine

            "Palestine belonged to the Palestinians until the unfortunate circumstances involving the Sykes-Picot Agreement and the Balfour Declaration, as well as several other events, which suddenly gave away Palestinian territory to make way for the new state of Israel.…"

            Really?
            Palestine belonged to the "Palestinians"? Did you ever hear of the Ottoman Empire?
            And just who were those "Palestinians"? 
            Anyone living in Palestine was Palestinian, including many Jews. Look up any contemporary pre-1948 references and you will find that Jews living in Palestine were called Palestinians. (Palestinian Arabs, were usually referred to as "Arabs").
            And by the way, who did Jordan belong to?
            I'm sure you must know that your country was also called part of Palestine before 1922.
            The Ottomans lost WWI and their lands were divvied up by the victors.
            The League of Nations unanimously adopted the Balfour Declaration and gave the British administrative authority over Palestine with the view of establishing a Jewish homeland. The Arabs didn't' like it. Violence, rioting and pogroms against Jews ensued. So the Brits sliced off all of Palestine east of the Jordan River (the larger part of the territory) forbidding Jews to live there, and established the Kingdom of Trans-Jordan for the Hashemites from the Arabian Peninsula. This in reward for their support in fighting the Turks. Surely you must know your country's history.

            And how is that different from Jews coming from elsewhere into the western part of Palestine? Didn't the British "suddenly give away Palestinian territory" to make way for the new "kingdom" of Trans-Jordan?

          2. I Make Sense

            Palestine did belong to the "Palestinians", but the majority of those Palestinians are not the Palestinians of today. Quick history lesson for you: In the 1930s there were 750,000 Muslims in Palestine. Now there are over 15 million registered Palestinians in the world (of which 13.5 million plus are Muslim). Please explain (and document) how exactly the Muslim Arab population grew that much in 65 years? It is literally impossible, especially if you are familiar with the birth rate formula. Even if you triple the max birth rate, you come nowhere near 15 million. Which means there was mass emigration to Palestine by Arabs, as well.

            You make it out as if none of the land belonged to the Jews, whereas this is historically false. Jews owned a lot of land in Palestine.

            You also wrote: "Since Israel's creation, Palestinians have been living in hell. I know people who were separated from their families and have not seen them since 1948. I have friends who wait 15 hours at the border to go back to their homeland for just a day. So to say that the majority of Palestinians do not want peace makes absolutely no sense." What does waiting for 15 hours in line have to do with "not wanting peace and it making no sense"? You are using emotions and not facts.

            Go to: www dot jpost dot com / Middle-East/Poll-40-percent-of-Palestinians-support-suicide-bombing-311779

            And it does matter what religion they want as law. Religion should be separated from politics. Otherwise, you have countries like Iran and Syria which either severely limit or completely forbid the practice of other religions. Please tell me you are not serious. And yes, it does seem idiotic for people to support something that gives them a bad name as you suggested, but these are uneducated, socio-economically poor, and fanatical Islamists. This is nothing new.

            Also your comparing of the Palestinian situation with the Holocaust is borderline anti-Semitic (hidden by an anti Zionistic label) and downright disturbing. Let me break this down for you:

            1939-1945:  Six-million Jews were murdered because they were Jewish.
            2000-2013: According to "If Americans Knew", an extremely anti-Israel group, 6,500 Palestinians were killed, including terrorists and not including the Palestinians who were used by their own people as human shield, something Hamas openly brags about. This number could account for more than 50% of the total deaths. Since that is the case, let's get this straight: you are comparing the death of 6,000,000 innocent civilians over six years to the death of 2,000 innocent civilians over 13 years. This doesn't make right what Israel did. However, war sucks. People die. There is always collateral damage. You won't find one war without it. But don't compare 2,000 to 6,000,000.

            As a suggestion to the Palestinian people: recognize fully the state of Israel as a Jewish state, renounce violence and stop preaching hate in your text books. If Palestinians put down their weapons there would be peace tomorrow. If Israel put down its weapons there'd be no more Israel today. So don't give me this cute story that Palestinians want peace. It's a fairytale to make you feel good about some very bad people.

            And lastly, I live in Israel. I work with Palestinians. It says you are from Jordan (which is ironically where 80% of Palestinians are originally from). I see what happens on a daily basis. I'm not saying the situation in Gaza is comparable to Beverly Hills, but there certainly isn't a crisis (for now). When they stop firing rockets and building terror tunnels, their lives will get much better. But that will never happen since, you know the claim: "From the river to the sea".

          3. Not Comparing

            I'm not comparing the people who died in the Holocaust to people who died in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. I'm saying that Israel has no right to do any of the things they are doing to the Palestinian people, especially considering the fact that they have gone through something worse.

            What a coincidence! A Jewish newspaper published that poll.

            Why should Palestinians fully recognize the state of Israel? You make it out to be as if Israelis have done nothing to harm the Palestinians. Yes, Palestinians have harmed Israelis, but this is incomparable to what Israel has done to Palestine.

            http://www.peterloud.co.uk/palestine/

            Jordan is not where most Palestinians are from. Jordan is where many Palestinians are now. And for the record, I'm pretty sure it's every Israeli textbook that teaches children to hate Arabs, Muslims and Palestinians. It's the contrary to what you're saying. If the Palestinians did not start to resist, all Palestinian heritage would be called Israeli (How's the hummus? And the Palestinian, excuse me, Israeli embroidery?). If Israel put down its weapons and resorted to civilized conversation we wouldn't be in this mess. Israel should never have been created. Not because I'm anti-Jew, but because I don't see the point of it. Jews should be allowed to live freely and peacefully wherever they so choose, but that does not make it a good enough reason to give away land in order for there to be a strictly Jewish state.

            I want to congratulate you. You're dealing with a teenager who's angry at people like you. I'm done with people who insist they're right and their view is the only view. I've had it. Let's just say you win, because I'm done with this nonsense. I wish you all the best in life, and hope you never have to deal with "inaccurate information" again. I'm sure you're going to go back to your comfortable house or apartment and live your comfortable life. All of our fates lie in God's hands, and I can only hope He has mercy on the people who suffer.
             

          4. Solution

            Eric wrote : "You make it out as if none of the land belonged to the Jews, whereas this is historically false. Jews owned a lot of land in Palestine."

            This is both true and false at the same time. They took that land between 2500 BC and 1500 BC (I think), yet lived, grew and endured there for centuries.

            Should I be less Portuguese just because I'm more Lusitan than Roman?

            It is the identity,values and history that people obtain that makes us one.

            Do both sides want peace? Dispose of those who are pulling the strings. Priests, politicians, blind-minded leaders, everyone who is indeed perpetuating this hatred, sacrificing their own people and soiling the name's of your nations.

          5. You Make No Sense

            The same people who gave you your country, Mr. Jordanian, gave Israel their country. Why was it OK for Jordan and the rest of the Arab countries in the Middle East to have  artificially created borders, and not for Israel? At least Israel has historical claims to the land of Israel, aka Palestine. The Palestinian people are Syrian and Jordanian by origin, only your countries didn't want to recognize that and let them  rot in refugee camps for 65 years and on. Look at the refugee camps in the Arab countries. Their condition is way worse than the condition of the Arabs in the disputed territories. Thanks to none other but Israel.

            Indeed, 40% of Palestinians support suicide bombing. Why not? Their "peaceful" leaders (like Abbas) glorify them and call them "shahids".

            Israel was not created because of the Holocaust. Jews always prayed to come back to their homeland. If the Arabs had agreed, there would have been peace long ago. In 1967 Israel was ready to return all the land, but the "peaceful" Arab leaders said the infamous "three no"s in Khartoum: No to peace; no to negotiation; and no recognition of Israel. What was Israel to do? In the meantime, the terrorists keep harming civilians in Israel and not vice-versa.

             

        3. Hypocrites

          So how come Israel gets to have a Jewish nation and the Arabs can't? And why is it that Israelis go around yelling "Death to the Arabs" and blow them up? You have double standards. Also, I'm very curious as to why Jews living in Arab countries were not expelled in the early 1900s when Jews showed up in Palestine out of nowhere. 

          1. Umm.. on second thought

            "So how come Israel gets to have a Jewish nation and the Arabs can't? "

            ….have you looked at a middle east map lately.

            "And why is it that Israelis go around yelling "Death to the Arabs" and blow them up?"

            …..seriously,,,,really,,,seriously………

            " I'm very curious as to why Jews living in Arab countries were not expelled in the early 1900s when Jews showed up in Palestine out of nowhere"

            ..again…..you aren't saying that with a straight face, are you???  please feel free to look at the history of Jews in the 20th century in the Near East.

            Well Johnny, he blew three in a row, but what are our consolation prizes for the Israeli history scholar???

    2. Victim Consciousness vs. Conscious Victims

      The Right of Return is about millions of peaceful indigenous people (the Palestinians) that were massacred and/or terrorized of their native lands by the world's original terrorists of Ashkenazi origin, i.e. Ben Gurion and Begin leading their murderous gangs, Irgun or the Stern Gang. It's ironic that a fascist Israeli regime justifies its genocidal apartheid system  via its collective victim consciousness. Its pathetic that Israeli shills perpetuate the Zionist false flags such as 911 aka the "war on terror" hoax to mislead or insult our intelligence with lies and deceit. Nelson Mandela's succinct and bold letter above clearly demonstrates his grasp of the long term Israeli strategy of apartheid and genocide against the Palestinian people. It's amazing that while so many countries (and their leaders) honor Mandela as a great humanitarian leader, Israel's arrogant and paranoid leader, "Bibi" can't "afford" the trip to honor him. What a symbolically arrogant statement on behalf of the Israeli apartheid government and state. The apartheid Israeli state should be sanctioned and exposed, just as apartheid South Africa was.

      1. Mandela’s Memo

        There is a problem right in your first sentence: "The right of return is about MILLIONS of PEACEFUL people…". Only a few hundred thousand murderous people leaving the country because they were promised by their Arab "brothers" that they can leave, and their brothers would come and slaughter the Israelis for them. Yes, there were some atrocities by the Israeli Defense Forces against some villages, but it was a war which Israel did not ask for: they accepted the partition plans, the Arabs didn't. 

        At the same time that 700,0000 Arabs left Israel, about 800,0000 Jews were expelled from the Arab countries. Israel embraced these homeless Jews, and integrated them into society. The Arabs, on the other hand, left their "brother" Arabs in camps with no rights, no land and no hope.

        The Arabs are neither peaceful nor innocent. They only have oil dollars to fund their propaganda machines to which you are a victim. Go, do your homework.

         

  12. Jews Against Apartheid

    OK, so this letter is false and Mandela was not against Zionism. So lets heave things in the other direction and look at something real: the extensive and disproportionate role of people of Jewish extract towards change in South Africa. As an example: all five of the white defendants in Mandela's trial were Jewish!

    Here are some who contributed significantly towards change in South Africa: Lazar Sidelsky, Helen Suzman, Arthur Goldreich, Albie Sachs, Ruth First, Joe Slovo, Ronnie Kasrils, Harry Schwarz, James Kantor, Nadine Gordimer, Rowley Arenstein, Percy Amoils, Harold Wolpe, Ronald Segal, Denis Goldberg, Bob Hepple, Hilliard Festenstein, Isie Maisels, Wolfie Kodesh, Tony Bloom, Mendel Kaplan, Norman Bernhard, Rusty Bernstein, Solly Sachs, Ray Alexander, Ron Shapiro, Lionel Phillips, Donna Wurtzel, Arnold Beasserabie, Jock Isacowitz, Sailor Malan, Kane Berman, Abner Weiss, Bertha Beinashowitz, Bertha Egnos, Cyril Green, Alf Herbert, Fonda Dubb, Rabbi Duchinsky, Rabbi Rabinowitz, Rabbi Kossowsky, Rabbi Bernard, Ian Bernhardt, Raymond Suttner, Ady Assabi, Ray Simons, Sydney Kentridge, Phillip Tobias, Jules Browde, Selma Browde, Bernard Friedman, Harold Hanson, Richard Goldstone, Robin Cranko, Gaby Shapiro, Gill Marcus, Andrew Feinstein, Saul Solomon, Wolfie Kodish, Nat Levy, Hilda Bernstein, Dennis Gamsy, Max Gluckman, Lee Harris, Hermann Kallenbach, Felicia Geffen, Jane Alexander, Tony Leon, Helen Zille, Barney Simon, Jonathan Shapiro, Nik Rabinowitz, Harold Rubin, Manfred Mann, Joel Joffe, Arthur Chaskalson, Benjamin Pogrund, Ray Simons, Harry Bloom, Abraham Adelstein, Tikvah Alper, Max Sterne, Louis Babrow, Esther Barsel, Hymie Barsel, Ina Perlman, Harry Oppenheimer, Oxford Synagogue, Temple Israel, Dan Heymann, Bright Blue, Johnny Clegg, Pieter Dirk-Uys.

    Jews comprised 0.6% of the total population of South Africa.

  13. Memo is a fake!

    This memo is an admitted fake – stop trying to get mileage out of something that was completely contrary to Mandela's beliefs.

  14. Israel History

    I am not sure what planet some of you are living on but on earth there was an ancient Jewish homeland where Israel stands today. Zionism is not a dirty word but the Jewish "Jihad" for thousands of years to return to our ancestral home. Jewish kingdoms ruled this homeland for almost a thousand years and if you are religious you believe that God gave this land to the Jews. I do not necessarily agree with that but I cannot deny the fact that this land is where my ancestors are from. This is what makes Israel different from South Africa where a bunch of Dutch people settled and displaced the locals. Jews have returned to their ancestral home where there were no Arabs at all. Ironically, the current Palestinians may be related to these Jews of old. No person with a conscience can deny Palestinian rights but no person aware if history can deny Jewish rights to this land. We need to start the conversation by understanding Zionism and its historical evolution.

    1. Israel History

      Does this then give my people the right, George, to return to our ancestral home in Denmark and expel the Danes?

       

    2. Wrong Ideas

      This land belonged to the Canaanites until the Israelites invaded and ironically committed genocide, occupying this foreign land for a short period. It's even in the Torah!

      So, you're wrong. Jews are not natives of this region and never were. 

    3. Jewish Ancestral Land

      What are you talking about? The Jews had no ancestral home or land. From the time of Moses, when God promised Jews the land, they sat back and told Moses: "You go fight this battle with your Lord," and that land is what you now call Israel. That is when the Jews were banished to the desert for 40 years. So what land are you talking about? Israel is an apartheid state and the Israelis commit gross crimes against the Palestinians every day. You sit in your home, in the so-called mighty USA…what do you know of the Middle East other than the propaganda that you read and watch on TV.

      1. Read Some Books

        Omar, I suggest that instead of making absurd statements you study the history of Palestine. You will then find that for almost one thousand years–which is not a short time–generations of Jewish tribes and Jewish kingdoms lived in ancient Israel–from Judea to Samaria. These are not inventions; these are historical facts, and not even your anger or hatred can erase history. I am sure you would not want me to deny the historical rights of Palestinian Arabs to this land, would you? We must all embrace each other's right to this land. It's only after that can we begin to negotiate a just solution.

    4. Zionism

      I'm English, which means I'm Anglo Saxon. So there's a good chance I come from Saxony in Germany at some point in my past. This was, though, maybe 1,200 years ago. Now this is more recent than when the Jews left Israel of course. So… maybe I can go back to Germany, kick out Germans and make them refugees, imprison and torture some more and call all who resist terrorists.
       

      1. Assuming you are actually of Anglo Saxon ancestry

        Assuming you are actually of Anglo Saxon ancestry, you would then be doing to the Germans exactly what your ancestors did to the native inhabitants of the British Isles.

        1. The Point is…

          While we're at this silly discussion about reclaiming land and kicking out the current occupants, maybe we should move on to the American Indians. They have a perfectly legitimate claim on the Western Hemisphere, don't they? If the Jews can reclaim their homeland then maybe the indigenous people of the Americas should be allowed to deport all of us non-Indians back to wherever we came from.

          Really, the point is that oppression is not okay no matter who's doing it. The world has become mixed and densely populated. The issues are emotional and complicated but we need to grow up, make the necessary compromises, and learn to live together.

    5. Children of Abraham, Isaac and Yaakov

      Dear George, My name is Hagop. The Hebrew word for it is Yaakov. That is, before Adonai changed the name of my forefathers to Israel. I strongly believe I have exact resemblance to the Israelites who settled in the Armenian Highlands some 2,000 years ago to spread a movement started by Yeshua Ha-Mashiach. However, most modern Ashkenazi Jews who settled in the land of our King David do not have any resemblance to my features, neither do Sephardic Jews who have been living on the land for over 3,000 years peacefully. Our father Abraham left his father's southern Iraqi home (now located in Kuwait). Is it worth exploring it further? If you read the Torah carefully, you will see that God promised Abraham that he would be the father of many nations. Likewise God asked Moses to destroy the disobedient nations which were grudgingly following him to the Promised Land.

      If you were religious, it is worth taking the complete texts written in the Torah and not just one or the other. Interestingly, in Genesis 49:10, the rule of Judah would end when Shiloh arrives. This clearly means that the land no longer will be ruled by Judah after the arrival of Messiah. We, the new Israelites (or Christians), do not believe in physical kingdom anymore, because the promised Messiah, the son of David, the Redeemer made it clear that his kingdom is not of this earth. We, the sons of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the heirs of David, who believes in the kingdom of God, have been promised a heavenly kingdom and not on earth. I find it ironic when the Ashkenazis, who have no genetic link to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, have claims to land that was not promised to them. Respectfully, Hagop (Yaakov)

      1. Hypocrisy

        Lol. If you read the Torah you see that God forbade the Jewish people having their own state 

        1. Misread the Post

          I think you misread the above post. It was an argument against the the justification of an Israeli state.

    6. Israel an Apartheid and Terrorist State

      India, which used to be called Bharat according to Biblical times, used to comprise Afghanistan, Burma (Mynmar) Sri Lanka, Bhutan, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Tibet (China). So according to butcher Zionists occupying Palestine, Hindus of India around the world must reclaim these countries to make one Bharat. Hindus must butcher all those who do not agree with them.

      Shame on America and all those brain paralyzed racists around the world who call Jews the Chosen People of God. How come the enemy of humanity can be the chosen people of world? These so-called chosen people of God have converted America into a Zionist colony which is much bigger than Palestine. What more do they need now?

      Mahatma Gandhi (Nov. 1938) rejected the claims of Zionist for a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Gandhi asserted: "My sympathy does not blind me to the requirements of justice. The cry for the national home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me. The sanction for it is sought in the Bible and in the tenacity with which the Jews have hankered after their return to Palestine. Why should they not, like other peoples of the earth, make that country their home where they are born and where they earn their livelihood?"

      Gandhi thus questioned the very foundational logic of political Zionism. He  rejected the idea of a Jewish State in the Promised Land by pointing out that the "Palestine of the Biblical conception is not a geographical tract."

      1. Jews Never Left

        Just to get some historical facts right: Jews never left the geographical area called Palestine where borders have shifted, including areas of Syria and Jordan. They've been a minority during Arab empires, as well as during British rule.

        Regarding archeological evidence, Jews did not mysteriously appear from Egypt. They have been in Palestine always. There is evidence that Judaism evolved slowly on the grounds of other area religions. There has not been a sudden massive influx of people, but pretty much the same groups thousands of years ago. There is not a single archeological evidence to back up the Biblical story, but there is evidence of Jewish kingdoms.

        There has never been an independent state called Palestine. No one has talked of a group of people as Palestinians before the 20th century. The name is derived from Philistine, preceding Judaism and Islam. During the first half of the 20th century, there was Mandate of Palestine under British rule in which both Arabs and Jews lived.

    7. Israel History

      George,

      First of all God does not 'give' land. You are born into it. Secondly, the Jewish Kingdoms that ruled for thousand years took the land by force after wandering in the desert for 40 years (Exodus). It is sad but the truth is that the Israelites are a Homeless people due to their enslavement in Egypt where their whole Nation was born after Joseph invited his father and his brothers to come and live with him in Egypt. They multiplied exponentially, but when a cruel Pharaoh enslaved them, they eventually broke free with the guidance of Moses. They were promised a land, a land which was already inhabited. George how would it feel if God promised another family your house? I do not take sides in this matter, I am from Africa and we have a mountain of problems of our own. But facts are just facts. The Israelis have a right to Palestine just as the Palestinians, it just so happens that the Israelis left after the split (Abraham's two sons Ishmael and Isaac). Jacob who later became Israel after wrestling an angel  is from the line of Isaac. But any how all I am saying is that it is wrong how Isaac is treating Ishmael. They can coexist, but sadly, one brother wants to dominate.

      1. Ishmael

        Isn't it a shame that the Ishmaelites are all throwing bombs and killing so as to convert everyone to Islam?

    8. In Response

      In response to what you said ("If you are religious you believe that God gave this land to the Jews"), the Zionist slogan: "A land without a people for a people without a land" states that they view Palestine as a land without people and identified themselves as people without a land. Therefore, according to the Zionist movement quote, you cannot say that Palestine belongs to the Jews because they don't have a land. 

    9. Speaking of ancestors

      My ancestors (including my immediate grandfather) lived in Palestine. Not fictitious ancestors that I can't prove they existed thousands of years ago.

  15. Desert to Garden

    Zionists and pro-Zionists have, for decades, claimed that they converted the desert (Palestine) into garden (Israel). While this is a falsehood (long before the European Zionists showed up, Palestinian Arabs had industries and even exported fruits to Europe: the iconic Jaffa orange was an Arab export), I would like to address the desert/garden metaphor.

    To claim that Zionists turned the desert into a garden thus Zionism is a good idea is like saying that a stranger has the right to grab your house because he can decorate your house more elegantly than you can.  

    There are numerous other myths ("Palestine was promised by God to the Jews", the Israeli fight against the Arabs is a "David and Goliath" encounter, etc.) which Zionists have peddled to the world and especially to the West. Unfortunately, their propaganda has been successful, although people everywhere are finally waking up to the Zionist lies.

    One big satisfaction: Thanks to US support, Israel has been able to vanquish the Palestinians on the battlefield. However, Israel will lose the demographic battle as Palestinians become the majority soon not only in the West Bank but in all of occupied Palestine. Unlike 1948 and 1967, Palestinians will stay on the ground no matter the Israeli provocation. All the Israeli nuclear bombs will not make a difference in this silent battle. The revenge of the womb.

    1. Say No to Palestine

      Palestine may have had industries like you claim. But it didn't have an army or a flag. They are all Arabs from Yemen, Saudi Arabia, Egypt who lived there randomly. Please check out the famous Mark Twain quote when he visited Palestine in 1867. If Jews wanted to just invade countries and occupy them then why didn't they choose an oil-rich country instead of Palestine? This is proof enough that the land belongs to the Jews. No one can deny the fact that Israel is the Promised Land to the Jews and no one else's. So pack your bags and go back to wherever you came from maybe to wild wild Yemen.

  16. Thoughts on the letter and the comments

    Mandela's letter seems to be relatively in line with what he always advocated. However the responses to it range from amusing to the outright stupid.

    Let me clear something up first, Zionism was and still is a nationalist ideology. Jewish Nationalism is belief that the Jews constitute a "nation", because of Jewish history it was a rather far-fetched idea that the Jews could act on that nationalism and create a nation. This is because the Jews historically were stateless.

    History is fairly consistent; peoples without land tend to vanish from history rather quickly and while Jews preserved their identity for two thousand years it became increasingly clear these past two centuries that the ethnic nationalists and religious bigots of Europe were not going to tolerate minorities.

    Zionism is the belief that grew out of Jewish nationalism which addresses this problem by moving Jews into Palestine. Zionism is essentially the idea that the Jews must have an independent homeland in Palestine. The reason it came to pass after the Holocaust specifically is because it finally dawned on the surviving Ashkenazi Jews in Europe that the only possible way to guarantee the survival of Jews as a nation was to create an independent Jewish state.

    I view demands for a two state solution and the Palestinian right of return as being fundamentally dishonest since the Palestinians who return will subsequently vote a one state solution into existence. So what is wrong with a one state solutions? A Palestinian-American Journalist Ray Hanania wrote a piece for the right wing Israeli news website Ynet (despite the fact that he is by no means a right wing Zionist) titled "One State Solution a Pipe Dream: Despite Peace process failure, two state solution still the only viable answer" basically outlining why a One State solution advocated by many Palestinians and left wing westerners is flawed not just because Israelis would never let it happen (they would go all "hermit kingdom" on the west if it ever changed its mind) but because Palestinians would not practice it.

    The theory of a one state solution is for Jews, Christians, and Muslims to live together in harmony in a democratic Palestinian State. As Ray Hanania points out, there is hardly anywhere in the Arab world where this is actually a reality, he doesn't mention it but the only place I can think of that comes even close to that wildly utopian (and in my view completely crazy) ideal is Lebanon, an Ethnocracy and hardly a shining beacon of peace and stability.

    The Pew Research forum in this poll titled The World Muslims Religion Politics Society beliefs about sharia date April 30, 2013 finds that 89 percent of Muslims in the Palestinian Territories favor making Sharia the "law of the land" as it were. Almost half of those who believed that want it to be applied to non-Muslims as well. This is just one reason why a one state solution is crazy, it was invented to appeal to westerners.

    When you look at the logistics of how it would come about you realize that the one state solution ends up looking less like a multi-ethnic utopia and more like Bosnia, Lebanon, Iraq, or worse: Rwanda. I'll put my trust into statistics (though maybe that's just because I am an American) and if those statistics reflect the actual feelings of the Palestinian population then a one state solution made into a reality here and now is madness and its advocates are either evil, naive, or apathetic.   

  17. Not Written by Mandela

    This letter was not written by Nelson Mandela. It is a mock letter written by Arjan El Fassad from the electronic Intifada. Deceiving readers that it's written by Mandela mars the memory of the great man that he was.

  18. Rght to Return

    About the right to return of the Jews… If we take the Bible as a historical document. The Jews must have lived in Palestine some 2,000 years ago before they were exiled by the Romans. But are the Jews today directly linked to the Jews of two millennia ago? If you compare a Moroccan to a European Jew you'll see the Moroccan Jew looks like an Arab and the European Jews' skin and hair are sometimes light. If you compare those two with an Ethiopian Jew you'll see that the latter is black.

    Conclusion? As a result of their exile, Jews have mixed with locals. What percentage can you actually call Jewish? If these people, who claim a few percentage of Jewish blood, have the right to return then why do the Palestinians who have lived there more than a thousand years have no right to return?

  19. Mandela’s Alleged Memo to Friedman

    The little that I know about Mandela, I know he would not write like that. He was a man who understood the depth of the words mediate and reconcile. Only a shallow minded person would believe such nonsense written above. Mandela never showed his feelings towards a particular party where conflict was concerned, he would not have pandered or make one feel more justified than the other. 

    It's a shame that whoever wrote this would try and degrade a man of Madiba's stature in this way.

    Which further raises the question, who's a Blackman's friend really. Or we're just a race to be manipulated for our softness.

    1. Oh, Really?

      Are you trying to say that Nelson Mandela did not know apartheid when he saw it?
      Try reality sometime, you may like it.

  20. Israel vs. Palestine

    All nice articles about the past. What about today? What Israel is doing is, of course, illegal…breaking all international laws for example. Why is nobody doing anything about it? Go and ask the people who run the world.

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